Have we betrayed Muslims in India

Pracs · 09-19-2004, 11:38 PM

Glad to read your point of view, (I think I have read this earlier on the FCA mail exchange,, but did not have the opportunity to respond to it then)

Just like to add that,.. it does not matter so much as to if you agree with what or how or why Pakistan was made.. as long as you are a citizen now.. and have your loyalties towards Pakistan.. I will respect you more the same...
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in ISLAM, THERE is NO concept of a separate homeland on geographical basis, i m not a MAULANA, nor a MUFTI and don't think one has to be a genius to work out the basic concept of a SINGLE BODY "The Muslim UMMAH".<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

RE Agreed but, the calphate is over and the Muslim Ummah is dead.. the best we can aspire to do is form an EU kind of a bloc.. that would be the realisation of the Ummah dream.. if you dont see that happening.. (which I don't) there is no point in chanting Ummah...

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"Creation of Pakistan"

this is a misconception that the Muslims in South Asia gained ANY benefit from Pakistan infact the truth is quite contrary to this fact. had we been living together we would have out numbered other religions in many other states of the sub-continent.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

We may have yes.... but the thing is,.. the merger of India and Pakistan would have been an artificial thing.. a cosmetic operation... these are and will remain different regions, they have been so historically even in pre Islamic times. The concept of a Pakistan was to have enough minorities (of Hindus and Sikhs) in Pakistan so as to make the minorities in both countries comfortable Congress played the part of villian and had Punjab and Bengal partitioned.. The league wanted these provinces un partitioned in Paksitan.. then Kahmir happened.. that is why Jinnah refered it to as Moth eaten Pakistan... Jinnah left his house in Bombay intact, his two cars and purchased the shares of a new IPO the Air India comapany ! simply that he wanted India and Pakistan to fucntion and live side by side as Canada and US... as these regions had done in the Past !! So Pakistan is as natural as Iran or England.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>just beause of the partitian we are unable to meet our brothers in India and Bangladesh who STILL suffer every sort of mental and physical torture and are called TRAITORS no matter how good and faithful they are to their countries, all this happen just for the SO-CALLED benefit of 15 crore muslims living in Pakistan, not to mention the racial, provincial, political, religious and economic prejudice we have in pakistan. and what about 14 crore begalis and 30 crore muslim-indians, we dummped them against their wills just because of our personal motives, it was a known fact that majority of the muslims will never be able to migrate to pak even if they wish so. moreover hundreds of muslims have been killed in india whether it is Kashmir, Gujrat, Aasam, or anyother state. do u think had we been together in a 60/40 ratio those events would have happened.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Well the ratio would have been something like 3070 and we just left behind 130 million or 13 crore Muslims in India and not 30 crore .. there are muslims outside of India in south asia around 30 crores(15 crore Pak + 13.5 crore Bengla. If you go by Canada-US model.. we did not abandon them... there was only one new change which was migrators from the North India to Pakistan, these people were asked by Jinnah to come over simply becasue they were better educated and Pakistan needed them...I think the position in an undivided India would have been more difficult and bloody..remember the language riots and other like wise riots in Bengal pre partition... two huge communities cannot live with each other at logger heads,, but a majority and minority can !!

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> all this was speculated by Maulana Abul Kalam Azad well before the creation of Pak.i dont want to go into the harsh reality of WHY and for WHOM pak was created.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I am sorry I do not agree with you,, I consider the Abul Kalam Azad.. as Jinnah called him 'Congress' show boy ! and that he was...

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>i do agree with Guybrush in certain situations it becomes inevitable.
now i want a separate Sindhudesh - a separate Pakhtunistan - a greater Punjab and ofcource Baluchistan liberation army is already fighting for independence and Kashimiris dont like to be called Pakistanis. we have witnessed ALL levels of atrocities within Pakistan which provide enough justification to take the suggested route. yes i am not going to further divide into Shia - Sunni states.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

That sounds more of like for argument sake... there are no further nations in Pakistan there are people who speak different languages !! Iran has people who speak Persian and minorities speaking blauchi, tajik, uzbek, even arabs.. does that mean Iran cannot function as a country. Malaysia has people speaking and of different origins,, Malay, chinese mandrian, Tamil etc.. is Malaysia not a country ? Iraq has a shia - suni,.. population do we divide into two no... then why do we think of Pakistan on the same lines ?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>"THE IDEOLOGY"

what ideology? what nations? we are not a single nation.....are we?
we are Punjabi- Sindhi- Pathan- Mahajir- Sunni etc etc etc.

our beloved founder once woke up and realised he saw a separate homeland in his dream, i think he woke up a bit early coz he MISTAKENLY forgot to see BENGAL (biggest Muslim majority) in his dream, that was a "MISTAKE", amazing the same poor guy was rhyming in praise of India just days back SAAREY JAHAN SE ACHA HINDUSTAN HAMARA. what happened overnight, might had a wrong mix in his daily doze of alcohol. and guess what who is preaching for the cause....one who gets drunk every night and the other had Court Orders in London to stay away from his girl friend on UNMENTIONABLE charges. i should keep my mouth shut now. i really dont want to discuss personalities here......thats another issue altogether. lets come back to the ideology business, we are 2 nations MUSLIM and HINDUS and we cant live together at all, we hate eachother, we have nothing in common..........why on earth we lived happily for 900 years then, and as Guybrush mentioned NOW THE MUSLIMS in INDIA dont face the same bitterness..........WHAT??? so they are living happily now.....if they are living happily as a 15% minority ...i guess we would have been living more happily with 6040.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

The Founding fathers did not dream the concept of Pakistan in sleep and no Iqbal did not just forget Bengal.. he was working on the same historical prospect of Pakistan,, Bangladesh has been in hstory either part of India or an independent region ! so what happened in 1971 was natural the bengalis were never meant to be Pakistanis.. the original Lahore resolution authored Sherae Bengal Fazlurehman .. spoke of muslim nations ! not muslim nation, not Islamic nation, not Islamic nations.... our history books have been doctored by people who have brought this country to the mess it is ! We lived with them together for 900 years... but ever in a single country !! don't forget that.. and even in India the Muslims ruled !! but never in the same country except for during the Mughals (the four kings) and Asoka... the British had hundreds of Princley states.. so it was never one country either..

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>dont know about Guybrush, Pracs is living in UAE, i m based in UK, we all have many INDIAN and HINDU friends........aren't we living happily........we dont have to CREATE justifications for an unjustifiable event. we have to concentrate to save it now for the betterment of MUSLIM UMMAH as a whole. by the way we are ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN and a homeland for Muslims. dont know how much u know about the 1973 constitution. just try to find similarities b/w Sharia and OUR constituion.....won't take u long coz there hardly any.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

We do,.. so that proves.. it is possible to live for the Indian Muslims with their Hindu country men,,, There was no unjustifiable event,.. for Pakistan is more than 3000 years ago... remember the Indus Valley civilisation...

And I agree.. Sharia is something we are not ready to have implemented in Pakistan,, the founders of this nation did not want a theocractic state. read about Jinnah and what he said,, read the Sufi Iqbal...

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Better not,, coz there is no room for another country ! there is Pakistan

Khuda Hafiz.

Murtaza Pracha

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"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311

Edited by - pracs on Sep 19 2004 70959 PM