ACCA or CA-Inter (Mod A-D)

inam_satti · 02-11-2005, 11:27 AM

hi i m ahsan satti!!!!!!!!
as v compare acca with ca inter v find that acca is conceptual hard work as well as the western waywhereas in ca u just need good hard work n plenty of confidence morover,acca studdy material is much more advanced n conceptual than ca.
u kan dodge ur way 2 success in ca xams<trust me i hav seen it> by inventing some standard solution tactics but you cant in acca.
in fact i hav taught mis on masters level 2 cas,icmas,accas but solving the mis case study< applying knowledge on acca scenario> really really freaks me out man
so i recommend the acca route as it has a lot of spice 2 beat a students bitch ass 2 death

jind rahi tay aan millan gay
ahsan satti

cyberking · 02-12-2005, 06:04 AM

hey ppl booth routes r good
in my opinion if u have done a-level then i will suggest u acca because u get a complete certification beside ur prim. goal e.g c.a.
however if u have done inter. then u can go for any option but consider the following factors
1)Acca is more expensive then c.A
2)passsing rate in c.a inter is less ten ACCA
3)renowned firms prefer c.a inter.
4)in case of ACCA u r getting extra certification.
5)u get degree as well with ACCA.
this is posted by a student of mod.d

King rules the dynasty.

ali zeeshan · 02-12-2005, 03:41 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by cyberking
 hey ppl booth routes r good
in my opinion if u have done a-level then i will suggest u acca because u get a complete certification beside ur prim. goal e.g c.a.
however if u have done inter. then u can go for any option but consider the following factors
1)Acca is more expensive then c.A
2)passsing rate in c.a inter is less ten ACCA
3)renowned firms prefer c.a inter.
4)in case of ACCA u r getting extra certification.
5)u get degree as well with ACCA.
this is posted by a student of mod.d

King rules the dynasty.
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well u r quite right but the 3rd point isn't right my friends couson is also ACCA qualified and he is doing Article in Ford Rhods and many of his friends also there

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Desert Sleet · 02-12-2005, 06:39 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bilal azhar
 AVG joe the course of IT of module D AND paper 2.1 of acca is same except one topic of Excel in mod D.SO leave aside that question and compare the two papers.This is only one paper.u can see all the papers from the last two years.

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Except on resorting to such lame excuses u should first check out the main work in which a Chartered/Certified Accountant is mainly involved in. So compare the papers of
Management Accounting of ACCA(3.7) and ICAP(F 18)
Financial Reporting of ACCA (3.6) and ICAP (E 15)
Advanced Auditing of ACCA (3.1) and ICAP (F 21)
Business Management of ACCA (3.5) and ICAP (E 17)
Advanced Taxation of ACCA (3.2) and ICAP (F 20)

Ur Comments on the papers are welcomed in Advance.

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Azeem Shah Khan · 02-12-2005, 10:27 PM

Hi all

Thanks for the concern AvgJoe, i am/was stuck up with work and to be honest a little bit disappointed with some of the members and their irresponsible posts, a good/bad news for some members - I am BACK[)]

I dont know much about the difference b/w ICAP inter-level papers and ACCA papers as such it won't be fair if i comment on it. I would rather comment on the attitude of some members who try to be what i call 'over-smart' and sadly one of those members is Mr Bilal Azhar. I wouldn't have bothered writing here if I knew his attitude is not a deliberate mistake.

I think Desert Sleet's response to his irresponsible comments is fair and there should be someone checking guys like him, I did the same some time back in ACCA Vs CA thread.

Few weeks ago I had a one to one discussion with Mr Bilal where my replies were very soft assuming Mr Bilal Azhar's childish attitude - as ignorance. With reference to the topic all I can tell him is that preparing from ACCA books and actually appearing in exams are not the same. I would like to quote your words you once said to me "Its easier said than done"

For all of you guys who didnt get a chance to read the conversation between the two of us

1. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">i dont think its a good idea to issue marks once u have passed a paper.Professional degree is not achieved by mishap or luck.if u are pass than pass,no need to tell how many marks have u achieved.
Icap follows this and never issue marks to students who have passed.
if marks are allocated,then definitely employer will look at them and student with more marks will definitely be prefered.it just like,if u get 700 marks in F.A/F.S.C only then u can expect to get an admission in GC AND if u passed FA with 500 marks then no need to apply.

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1. My reply

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dear bilal

if i agree with the above then one question comes in my mind WHY does ICAP bother to publish GRADES like A, B ,C temp or permanent exemptions and why is it switching to a more LOGICAL examination system of publishing the marks. i do agree that no qualifications comes in fluke, one has to work really hard but the later part is a bit doubtful. if an institute follows a crystal clear Examination System then why not publish the marks which can be of great guidance to students who fail marginally, they would know how close they were.
this will also decline all the allegations of QUOTA or Market based result system by ICAP. as regards the employers asking for the individual marks attained in particular subjects, i dont think any employer asks such a ridiculous question specially if he or she is a professional interviewing another professional.

kind regards
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2. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">ICAP is not moving to a new grading or marking system.it has only declared publicaly that passing criteria for all papers is 50 percent.other than that there will be no change.no marks will be issued to candidates and no grades will be given to students who pass the exams.50 percent ratio is only declared to enable the failing or refered students to assess their performance.some students defame icap after failing by saying that they attempted all the paper correctly and yet they failed.
secondly,if according to u no employer ask this ridiculous question of total percentage,then whats the reason to issue marks to those students who passes the exams(ACCA).thats where the difference lies between icap and acca authorities and that is why there is no match between an ACA and an ACCA in pakistan.I dont think there is a single professional employer in pakistan who would prefer ACCA over ACA.IT does not make any sense to study TAX,LAW,AND accounting standards of england sitting in pakistan.

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2 My reply

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dear Bilal

thanks for correcting me. So ICAP is still using the same outdated system. Whats the point declaring the 50 marks Pass or Fail criteria when the individual marks are not published.

Issuing marks to Pass candidates may encourage them to do even better at higher levels plus it may also motivate them to SPECIALISE in that particular subject. ACCA believes (and rightly so) that its examination system is CRYSTAL CLEAR thats why they publish individual marks. ICAP can do the same to prevent students defaming its examination systems credibility.

i am afraid thats not the distinction between the two institutes, in Pakistan there are multiple factors and YES one of the reasons is the fact that ACCA grads study UK variants. ACCA has now offered Pakistan variant for Pakistani students and I am sure within no time such unrealistic distinctions will vanish away.

Kind Regards
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3. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">i told u that the only reason to declare this 50 percent criteria is to rectify the perception of the students and the general public that icap doen not pass even those students who get 70 percent marks in a without choice difficult paper.
As far as specilization is concerned,once u pass papers like Advanced accounting,advanced auditing,corporate law,advanced taxation,management accounting etc of icap i can assure u with guarantee that ur knowledge is equal to,if not greater,to a person who has a phd degree in any of the above subjects.i mean,if u have studied all the IAS AND ISA and all the corporate laws,what else left to be read.

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3. My reply

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i told u that the only reason to declare this 50 percent criteria is to rectify the perception of the students and the general public that icap doen not pass even those students who get 70 percent marks in a without choice difficult paper.

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Dear Bilal

I think you are missing the point i am trying to make. ICAP can still fail a student who gets 70% marks unless it publishes the individual marks. For eg I appeared in an exam and after considering individual questions and my answers to them I believe that i should get around 60-65 marks, but when the result comes i see my name in the list of failures, i have no idea how can i be given less than 50 marks in that particular paper but since i have not been given the exact marks i will keep on repeating the same old story that ICAP's examination system is flawed.

i was a student of ACCA, i m telling you the truth when i used to come out of the examination hall i always knew straightaway if i have passed the paper or not, and to my surprise my marks were always within a deviation of + or - 5, now this is what i call a CRYSTAL CLEAR system and i see no harm adopting this system where i (being a student) have full confidence on my Institute. i have no fear in my heart that no matter how much i study i might be failed just because of the market pressure.

now ask yourself and your fellow students (if you are/were a student of ICAP) doesn't this fear exist in their hearts??? it does.......

now let me tell you another story. i am an ex-student of ICMAP. i passed upto Professional 2 in first go except 1 paper which was FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING in Foundation 2. i got referral in that paper. you know what bilal, i was expecting a permanent exemption in that paper, financial accounting has always been my strong point and i always scored flying numbers in financial accounting. My elder brother is an ACMA, he sometimes used to discuss my paper with me (as we were allowed to take the question papers with us), he was also damn sure that i haven't done any blunder in that paper and i should be able to score atleast 80 in that paper........sadly i sat that paper again and although i didn't do better this time i got a PERMANENT EXEMPTION. I am sure you would have heard similar stories from other students as well. My self-analysis could be wrong that time but why it always proved correct in ACCA.......

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As far as specilization is concerned,once u pass papers like Advanced accounting,advanced auditing,corporate law,advanced taxation,management accounting etc of icap i can assure u with guarantee that ur knowledge is equal to,if not greater,to a person who has a phd degree in any of the above subjects.i mean,if u have studied all the IAS AND ISA and all the corporate laws,what else left to be read.

bilal

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my dear friend,

my normal reaction to such statements is usually very strong (and harsh for some people), since i have made a new year resolution to become a better human being and after being pointed out by some of the members here to curtail my aggression, i would only suggest you to please come out from this FANTASY WORLD.........i won't say no more and click the "post new reply" icon as it is best in OUR favour.

Please keep your assurance and guarantee with yourself, it is surely gonna help you out in future!!!

i wish you & ICAP all the best

kind regards
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4. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dear Azeem,just for ur information i am a student of Module D of CA.i got a refer in IT of module D in last attempt.i have cleared the rest of 12 papers of CA inter.I got refer in M.LAW,and IT so far.
Icap never ever fails a student having 60-65 marks.if thats the case then i am fail in all other twelve papers as well.The passing percentage according to those who have qualified(some of my teacher)is even less than 50.i knew that in some of my papers like economics,cost accounting,IT1, my marks would be, at the most, around
45-55 marks and yet i got passed.
THE main reason of issuing this 50 percent ratio was that poeple like u cry after failing and instead of blaming themselves,blame the icap.THE PAPers in which i got refer,my marks were definitely below 45.your estimate of 60-65 marks is based on ur own judgement. The solution of icap questions is usually not the one we think it is.

LAstly,ur statements are contradicting.own one hand u say that employer dont see marks percentage once u have acca degree,they only see aptitude,knowledge etc and on the other hand u say that marks can be used to speclize in particular subject.speclization can be done in ACCA PASSED papers but once u have passed ca no speclization is required.e.g if u have passed corporate law paper of module E,it means u have studied the whole ordinance,its rules,and there are round about 10 or more laws in this paper.after going through all this what further u can study ,i just dont know.

ur are senior than me,so dont mind to be harsh.one advice(although i am not capable of it) to u is "not to say or comment on any thing u dont know". i am sure the above post would make u angry and i am expecting a very harsh reply.

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4. My reply

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">my dear friend

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ur are senior than me,so dont mind to be harsh.one advice(although i am not capable of it) to u is "not to say or comment on any thing u dont know". i am sure the above post would make u angry and i am expecting a very harsh reply.

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thanks for considering me a senior and many thanks for the advise, you are indeed capable of giving advise. no i m not going for a harsh route this time as i do it for people who try to be over smart. i dont like to comment on something i dont know and infact i thanked you in my earlier post for correcting me.

i was commenting on the exam result systems of diff accounting bodies and my emphasis was on ICAP, ICMAP and ACCA. you corrected me on ICAP and i know ICMAP and ACCA's exam results policy, i dont see anything wrong commenting on it.

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LAstly,ur statements are contradicting.own one hand u say that employer dont see marks percentage once u have acca degree,they only see aptitude,knowledge etc and on the other hand u say that marks can be used to speclize in particular subject.speclization can be done in ACCA PASSED papers but once u have passed ca no speclization is required.e.g if u have passed corporate law paper of module E,it means u have studied the whole ordinance,its rules,and there are round about 10 or more laws in this paper.after going through all this what further u can study ,i just dont know.

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so you are trying to say that CA is the ULTIMATE qualification, once you do CA you become a MASTER of ALL since you can't see any area left behind. bilal i would strongly recommend you not to say this thing to anyone. i always thought all those qualifications like CTA (Chartered Tax Adviser), CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst), PhDs in individual subjects are there for a purpose but NOW after knowing the fact that all i want is to become a CA and i will master everything has completely changed my mind........thanks for your insight.........you definitely deserve to comment on things you know.......(i hope you were just kidding when you said after ACCA PASSED papers you need specialisation and after CA you dont.....you are trying to be over smart.........so be careful!!!)

i am still trying to find where i CONTRADICTED my own statements. Yes i did say employers are more interested in what a CANDIDATE knows than his/her exam marks, and Yes i also said that marks can motivate candidates to specialise in those subjects (assuming they get higher marks because of their interest in those subjects and their natural inclination)...........WHERE IS THE CONTRADICTION???
in first statement i am talking about the employers perception about the candidate in the later statement i am discussing the psychological effect the exam marks can have on students' careers......once again WHERE IS THE CONTRADICTION???

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Icap never ever fails a student having 60-65 marks.if thats the case then i am fail in all other twelve papers as well.The passing percentage according to those who have qualified(some of my teacher)is even less than 50.i knew that in some of my papers like economics,cost accounting,IT1, my marks would be, at the most, around
45-55 marks and yet i got passed
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now i won't say you are contradicting your statements here, rather i would say you are supporting my point of view. by reading the above statement we can surely say that ICAP's exam system is not JUST. although they say that they have a 50% pass criteria but in reality it is much below that (something NOT to be proud of). Now how you are supporting my point, you said you were expecting your marks between 45-55 and yet you passed that paper leaving you in doubt whether you got over 50 or under 50, presumably you got over 50 thats why you passed but even then it left a doubt thats why you mentioned it here and thats the point i was trying to make earlier that publishing marks DONOT leave any doubt and give students the much needed confidence in the fairness of the system.

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THE main reason of issuing this 50 percent ratio was that poeple like u cry after failing and instead of blaming themselves,blame the icap.THE PAPers in which i got refer,my marks were definitely below 45.your estimate of 60-65 marks is based on ur own judgement. The solution of icap questions is usually not the one we think it is.
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i was never a student of ICAP!!! so there is no question of crying about it. the only paper i REFERRED (not failed) was of ICMAP's where SURPRISINGLY my answers were not TOO different from my brother's and my LECTURER's explanations to that paper and there was no question about 60-65 marks - i was expecting over 80. this is a mystery for me how on earth i could be referred in that paper.........i may be wrong in my assessment but this could only be verified had i be given my marks. secondly my assessments never went wrong in ACCA!!!

hope this will clear some of my points, i am glad to know you have almost completed your CA Inter and i wish you all the best for your future exams.

Best Regards
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"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you're going to live. Now."

Desert Sleet · 02-12-2005, 11:45 PM

Azeem u are good at narrating. But perhaps you should copy/paste the quote into word and then compose your reply there. Then copy/paste it back into your browser and use the "Preview Post" to examine what you have. Repeat as needed.

1) I agree with ur style of discussion. If people insult others intelligence by making dishonest or stupid posts then they have already broken the pact of civility. I usually let them get away with it once or twice and letting them know that they are being dishonest. If they persist well then they get as good as they give.

Posted By Bilal to Azeem
<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">LAstly,ur statements are contradicting.own one hand u say that employer dont see marks percentage once u have acca degree,they only see aptitude,knowledge etc and on the other hand u say that marks can be used to speclize in particular subject.speclization can be done in ACCA PASSED papers but once u have passed ca no speclization is required.e.g if u have passed corporate law paper of module E,it means u have studied the whole ordinance,its rules,and there are round about 10 or more laws in this paper.after going through all this what further u can study ,i just dont know.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
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<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">As far as specilization is concerned,once u pass papers like Advanced accounting,advanced auditing,corporate law,advanced taxation,management accounting etc of icap i can assure u with guarantee that ur knowledge is equal to,if not greater,to a person who has a phd degree in any of the above subjects.i mean,if u have studied all the IAS AND ISA and all the corporate laws,what else left to be read.

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2) I read this as a request to not be bullied into silence. I have no power to stop you from posting. The only power I have is to comment on stupid or dishonest posts. There is nothing stopping you from making better posts. If your knowledge is questioned the best strategy is to start asking questions yourself. If you are right it will become clear and if you are wrong then you increase the odds or learning something. If you make claims to knowledge that you do not posses then that is dishonest. If it is clear that your dishonest claims are being questioned then there is a good chance that the person questioning them knows more than you. This could be your lucky day because it is very easy to turn the tables and force that person to give you a free education.

3) This is a dishonest argument. If a person uses only slurs and personal attacks then I agree with you. But if there is reasoned argument and deceptive practices are revealed and pointed out then this is not an attack. People can be dishonest and stupid but they have no right to think that they can continuously be dishonest and stupid in public and not hear about it. At some point someone has to call a liar a liar. Someone has to call a fraud a fraud and someone has to call stupidity stupid. The values of political correctness can be taken to extremes to where stupidity, lying and fraud are now correct. People who plead that their stupidities and lies not be pointed out are simply asking for the same recognition of lies and stupidities as honesty and intelligence. People are allowed to be stupid they are not allowed to pass that off as intelligence. People can be dishonest but they should not expect a free pass.

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Azeem Shah Khan · 02-13-2005, 12:21 AM

Thanks for the appreciation Cheema Sahib, i shall try your methodology of copy/pasting and quoting earlier posts to make my message easier to understand.

I am glad to see people like you coming up with interesting posts supported by verifiable facts. although i haven't yet read much of your posts but so far i am very impressed with your drafting skills and the knowledge/information you have come up.

i agree with you that if someone doesn't agree with something he/she should raise his/her disagreement within the confines of professionalism, but one should not let the culprit get away with writing crap if it is deliberate and importunate.

i once said together we can and together we will 'change' this forum. Your presence on this forum has re-asserted my wish.

Kind regards

"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you're going to live. Now."

Mr. Whappaaaa · 02-13-2005, 05:19 AM

OKHAY .. its not a big deal to give some statements again & i think Azeem's post is sufficient enough for someone. Now I am going to forward CHEEMA SAHAB comments

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Except on resorting to such lame excuses u should first check out the main work in which a Chartered/Certified Accountant is mainly involved in. So compare the papers of
Management Accounting of ACCA(3.7) and ICAP(F 18)
Financial Reporting of ACCA (3.6) and ICAP (E 15)
Advanced Auditing of ACCA (3.1) and ICAP (F 21)
Business Management of ACCA (3.5) and ICAP (E 17)
Advanced Taxation of ACCA (3.2) and ICAP (F 20)

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So I am also interested to know about the facts that either discrimination is still exist or not in these papers( mentioned above by DS) because i am not an ACCA qualified thats why not able to give some straightward remarks in these papers. Those who are ACCA or CA qualified then what he like to say about that papers that

1. Can we compare ACCA level 3 papers to CA foundation ? or
2. CHEEMA SAHAB's comparison is perfectly or slightly right between ACCA level 3 paper to CA module E & F?

& Specialy AZEEM SHAH, what would you like to say about these flash moving pictures (Whether ACCA level 3 paper should be compared with CA module E & F??)

Your comments please .....

REGARDS

ASIF ALI

bilal azhar · 02-13-2005, 07:21 AM

Desert sleet,Azeem shah,MR Whappaaaa and all those forum members,sorry for all me comments which hurt u.

i feel that this is a democratic forum and every body has the right to say what he feel is right.i have never abused acca as a qualification.in fact i also believe that acca syllubus and exam system is better and more conceptual than ca.The point on which i disagree with u members is the difference between the level of papers.i still think that ca paper is more difficult to pass than acca paper.ignore all the points and just compare on the basis of choice.acca paper has 50% choice whereas ca paper has 0% choice.

I may have childish thoughts but u people are seniors than me both age and qualification wise.I have never abused personally to any member on this forum.if u people dont agree with my views than just write disagree on something else but please dont get personal.

Words like "stupid","dishonest","fruad","theory holds water" and one person has only replied to this topic because according to him i am trying to be "oversmart",words like these just dont suite to professional people like u.

i have been on this forum for the last three months and opens this forum for almost everyday.what i have observe is that some members particularly seniors just dont like any remarks against there views and starts getting personl very soon.but what can we do.this is our culture.we just dont have any "BARDAST".WE just cannot see any person turning against us.This happens in parliment forget about this forum.

Yes u are right man "TOgether u can and together u have changed this forum." This is not fair man.three or four persons firing rockets from everywhere on a child.

AND lastly SHAH GEE by God i am not trying to be oversmart this time.please forget last posts.

bilal

Desert Sleet · 02-13-2005, 11:11 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
 Thanks for the appreciation Cheema Sahib, i shall try your methodology of copy/pasting and quoting earlier posts to make my message easier to understand.

I am glad to see people like you coming up with interesting posts supported by verifiable facts. although i haven't yet read much of your posts but so far i am very impressed with your drafting skills and the knowledge/information you have come up.

i agree with you that if someone doesn't agree with something he/she should raise his/her disagreement within the confines of professionalism, but one should not let the culprit get away with writing crap if it is deliberate and importunate.

i once said together we can and together we will 'change' this forum. Your presence on this forum has re-asserted my wish.

Kind regards

"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you're going to live. Now."
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I like how Azeem has addressed the issue, although I have once asked the questions he has and I found resolution to them. I still respect your attitude towards the issue. I'm a believer but I find it hard to reflect my new beliefs when others input incorrect statements. The pain and suffering to the innocent was a big thorn in my side too. You have to understand that no one in this world is truly innocent, we are all biased. So good people will never measure up to the level we should be. critisizm does exists, but are we people that caused it? Your remark would most likely be "No, we could stop it." Which is true but then free will is no longer one of our traits. If ppl did intercede all time with illogical views(as shown by some members) there would be no reason for our freedom. I find it hard to believe that humans were capable of such convincing writing and preaching without some sort of tangable evidence. As far as ur resolution regarding changing this forum is concerned i would like to say "Inshallah" "We can and we will".

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Now adressing Bilal Azhar i would like to clear some points.
ali4u3,u should thank God that icap has exempted inter to acca students.i think that this should not be given.There is huge difference between Acca papers and CA inter papers.although acca students reads a lot more than ca inter,but inter is definitely by far more difficult than whole acca.

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Bilal its 1, just for the record it all started with this post of evaluative criticism.
<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">i feel that this is a democratic forum and every body has the right to say what he feel is right.i have never abused acca as a qualification.in fact i also believe that acca syllubus and exam system is better and more conceptual than ca.The point on which i disagree with u members is the difference between the level of papers.i still think that ca paper is more difficult to pass than acca paper.ignore all the points and just compare on the basis of choice.acca paper has 50% choice whereas ca paper has 0% choice.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Because I am for freedom. I want everyone to be able to believe as they wish. However in order for that to happen I must allow for their beliefs and they must allow for mine. As long as neither of us harms others with our beliefs then they are all fine as far as I am concerned. I do see however a growing movement in this forum that confuses freedom of speech and likewise many members are using it for there personal advantage and as a critisizing tool. All they should be concerned with is does the Admin allow them to believe as they wish without interfering with the rights of other to do the same.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I have been on this forum for the last three months and opens this forum for almost everyday.what i have observe is that some members particularly seniors just dont like any remarks against there views and starts getting personl very soon.but what can we do.this is our culture.we just dont have any "BARDAST".WE just cannot see any person turning against us.This happens in parliment forget about this forum.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I donât understand why you think you need qualifications or seniority to judge the level of commitment to their claimed faith. It seems to me that as a fellow human you can judge them however youâd like. If the views presented by others are logical then i can guarantee that our members wont get slander them for there points.
<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Yes u are right man "TOgether u can and together u have changed this forum." This is not fair man.three or four persons firing rockets from everywhere on a child.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Dont worry we can hire some rocket experts[D]. We can as i beleive change this forum and here I am doing it yet again. In either cases I am forcing nothing on you. You are free to believe anything you like. It is unreasonable of you to think that everyone will agree with you. And depending on the argument or belief it could very well be unreasonable for you to expect most people to agree with you. Just becuase you are convinced of what you believe doesn't mean thats its fact. Or PATHER KI LAKEER.[8D](Hey my Urdu is improving a bit).
<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">AND lastly SHAH GEE by God i am not trying to be oversmart this time.please forget last posts.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Can someone trust a biased person on his feelings towards bias(i am not pointing towards (Bilal).

This is supposed to be a forum for DEBATING Accountancy related matters. Unfortunately there are some here that cannot make a rational debate. And, when their "flawed belief system," and their true intents are exposed, they find themselves mentally naked, on a losing rant, and only have base insults and slurs to fall back on.

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syedhassan · 02-14-2005, 04:29 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
 Thanks for the appreciation Cheema Sahib, i shall try your methodology of copy/pasting and quoting earlier posts to make my message easier to understand.

I am glad to see people like you coming up with interesting posts supported by verifiable facts. although i haven't yet read much of your posts but so far i am very impressed with your drafting skills and the knowledge/information you have come up.

i agree with you that if someone doesn't agree with something he/she should raise his/her disagreement within the confines of professionalism, but one should not let the culprit get away with writing crap if it is deliberate and importunate.

i once said together we can and together we will 'change' this forum. Your presence on this forum has re-asserted my wish.

Kind regards

"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you're going to live. Now."
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hello there....
good to see you back AZIM BHAI...
i believe your very right my friend..
and frankly... why should we try dominating others with some vague knowledge..
you think you would get away with it..? surely not..!!
i really enjoy reading your fine posta and topics here...
regards..
syedhassan..

ACCA

AvgJoe · 02-15-2005, 05:00 AM

Hi all,

I was away from the forum for a few days, but I was happy to return today. Its very very nice to see u back Azeem Khan sahib.

Personally, I may have a slightly biased attitude towards ACCA's examination system. This is because I beleive that ACCA has far more resources (money, course developers, student material writers, experienced paper setters etc) than ICAP. This was also admitted by Zafar ***ani (President of ICAP) in an interview. Hence, ACCA syllabuses, exams are far more developed as compared to CA-Inter & use better exam techniques like scenario based questions. (Remember folks the purpose of this discussion was to compare CA-Inter with ACCA & NOT TO create another heated debate over ACCA vs CA).

Also, I think ACCA has a far more "crystal clear" exam system, whereby the mark-schemes are published soon after the papers, enabling the candidates to know where EXACTLY they went wrong. This in my opinion is more important than simple publishing of marks! I beleive, that even if exam bodies dont publish marks but still publish mark-schemes than they are fulfuling their purpose of holding a "fair" examination. This is where ICAP needs to REALLY improve.

On the other hand, I understand the point of view of CA-Inter students. I beleive they go through a lot & inspite of all the "weaknesses" in their examination system, they still hold on & pass those papers. This is where I appreciate them. Regarding ICAP, I would say that inspite of all its weaknesses it still provides a certain "CERTAINITY" to its students. Unlike the UK/US, where every college grad is sure of getting a job, here in Pak ppl are desperate. I have seen people spending precious years of their lives & then getting nthg in the end. Hence, I would appreciate ICAP for trying to maintain the worth of its qualification in the Pakistani context. However, I dont agree with their methods & I think this is where they need to reform.

I would also not treat ppl like bilal harshly. Common guys, all of us work hard & its so hurting & dissapointing if someone comes in & tells u that "whatever u had been doing for the last 2-3 years was crap compared to my qualification". All of us have the right to be a little bit BIASED towards the qualifications we hold & to try to defend our "hardwork" (the hardwork represented by those qualifications) by whatever means possible. Afterall, its a matter of self-respect & prestige. Thus, plz members refrain from direct acqusations. Can we try to be "diplomats" here & try to reconcile our differences? Please ?

Looking forward to your positive responses.

Cheers

syedhassan · 02-15-2005, 05:42 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by AvgJoe
 Dear Desert & Bilal,

I would again request both of u to NOT get personal & not to attack EACH OTHER instead of "comparing the two qualifications" in a unbiased & un-personal way. Thanks !

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I Presented the fact by comparing acca and ca papers.stop this nonsense talk about the word Debate and come to the point.Prove me wrong by presenting reality.prove that acca paper is tougher than ca inter paper.
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Bilal, I understand that during ur self-study u compared the papers of CA-Inter & ACCA and found ACCA papers to be easier. Everyone can have different views & many people would disagree with ur statement. I suggest u give us the links to the papers u compared & then the forum members can compare them themselves. Desert sleet has already tried to prove that ACCA papers are tougher than CA (Mod-F) papers by providind links to 2 of them & letting u compare them urself. Do u agree that the ACCA paper he has pointed out is tougher than CA (Mod-F) paper ?

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you're just infantile by ANYONE'S standards. Like the little kid who wants to play with the big kids, you're just a little nuisance.
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Dear Cheema Sahib, I admire u for taking so much time out for us to post on this forum & increasing our knowledge. But in the past we have lost a lot of forum members (like Pracs, Ehrar, Azeem Khan sahib etc) just because things got out of control on the forum & the members started personally assaulting each other. I am sure the forum members dont want that to happen again. I would thus request u to please drop the PERSONAL argument with Bilal & not post such remarks about him. I hope u would consider my request & would not feel offended by it. If u do, then I sincerely apologize. Thanks

Cheers
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hi all...
i think we'r all here to find good solutions and comparisons...
i think most CA's never like ACCA,(both, even completed)
as they say that ACCA is far easy to pass than ICAP..
i agree yes.. it is so...!
but i think we should see the reasons for it...
and the reasons are
1- ACCA books and SYLLABUS for all cources are well orzanized and you have everey thing you need to study.
3-Books are well up-to-date
. (where as, in ICAP you need to consult refference books )
4-well planned and organized exam pattren.
(which is never found in CA (ICAP) )
5-well organized marking scheem..(not in ICAP)
6-Global coverage... (ICAP has local coverage)
7-TOTALLY Relevent questions in exams...
(in ICAP, an IT or Communication question, can sometimes appear in COSTING paper )
i hope this is much comparison we make...
in another way, wht in the world should we compare both..???
are we the EMPLOYERS..???
also, both have totallt different scope and coverage...
cheers...
syedhassan...

ACCA

shahzad · 03-02-2005, 07:01 AM

well CA or ACCA,
if someone is hard working,, he should go for CA
ACCA karnaaa too bachoon kaaa kaaaam hay,, aap log ACCA say sirf apnee basics hee achee kar saktay hain, baqee uss main knowledge nahin hay, however ACCA is more recognized degree in world wide.

Desert Sleet · 03-03-2005, 01:09 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shahzad
 well CA or ACCA,
if someone is hard working,, he should go for CA
ACCA karnaaa too bachoon kaaa kaaaam hay,, aap log ACCA say sirf apnee basics hee achee kar saktay hain, baqee uss main knowledge nahin hay, however ACCA is more recognized degree in world wide.
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Let me voice a dissenting, pragmatic view. Sure, while no learned individual immersed in these issues on a daily basis can argue (with much strength) that Acca is easy enough or as u pointed out (Bachoon ka Khel), nor with the inherently possible booby-traps presented by ACA's successful domination of the Pakistani market, efforts such as this are ultimately meaningless. Rants, thoughtful essays, thorough examinations, intelligent analysis and the like serve only to satisfy our indignation (measured and obtuse alike). As a result of such discussions, absolutely no difference is made where it counts. Read my post as its addresed for the "ignorant" people like you.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I have read your comments about ACCA in various other Sections also . Before I go further, let me back up a moment.

For the sake of this discussion, I want you to forget all the technical benefits listed . Forget the dreams of interoperability and portability of your content between ACCA and ACA . Forget how much time and money would be saved if you will choose ACCA or CA.

As there comes a point in time when the actions of a few can have a profound impact on the many. In situations like these, the many must find a system of checks and balances in order to protect themselves either from the mistakes of the few, or worse, greed and power mongering of the few. Without a system of checks and balances, the many should hardly ever be surprised when the few either abuse their power, act in a fashion that neglects the needs of the many, or make mistakes that cost the many on the same grand scale that the Foundation affected the Galactic Empire. So i hope whenever you will speak u would be backed up by evidence. So first learn, then speak, otherwise plz be quiet. I think students should stick with what they know the best, and leave the technical issues to more technical prople.

For some of the occasions, we have the luxury of carefully planning and crafting our response, but most of the time we have to formulate our response on the spot. That certainly seems to be the problem accociated with the people who try to find faults in ACCA.

You have jumped into the fray without carefully thinking through the various implications of your statements. You have displayed more emotion than logic, made sweeping charges beyond what could reasonably be supported, failed to adequately document your assertions, and, in general, have failed to do the homework necessary to make your challenges credible.

Unfortunately, at this time, there are no courses on the proper way to criticize paranormal claims. So far as I know, no manuals or books of rules are currently available to guide us/you. Its a matter of judjment. Ali you should adhere to certain principles/standards.

The failure to consistently live up to these standards have exposed you to a number of hazards. You have found ourselves going beyond the facts at hand. You may fail to communicate exactly what we intended. You have confused the members as to what are trying to achieve. You have unwittingly put paranormal proponents in the position of underdogs and created sympathy for them, and, as I already mentioned, you have made my task much more easier.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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