ACCA why not CIMA

naeem sarwar · 03-08-2005, 05:00 PM

Why less people are doing CIMA & more ACCA in pakistan?Although CIMA can do both jobs of AUDIT & Decision making while ACCA just only audit.IS CIMA is difficult or any other reason?

naeem

syedhassan · 03-08-2005, 08:20 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by naeem sarwar
 Why less people are doing CIMA & more ACCA in pakistan?Although CIMA can do both jobs of AUDIT & Decision making while ACCA just only audit.IS CIMA is difficult or any other reason?

naeem
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hi there...
as we can see the current situation..
CIMA seems to get preffered on ACCA, due to Bit more time at the core part in Pakistan as well as Gulf. and a CIMA seems to find better job oportunities than an ACCA and also because, more than 65% of CIMAs are also ACCA affiliates (for the past year)this ratio may incerase more over the years.
i think CIMA Exams are a bit more tough, but just because of the fact that ACCA seems much WELL-ORGANIZED than CIMA and thats why the PASS and GROWTH rate of ACCA is better.
and i think the 2007 scheme is ment to solve this problem for ACCA
resulting in a much increased value than CIMA..
regards...
syedhassan..

ACCA

Desert Sleet · 03-08-2005, 08:43 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by naeem sarwar
 Why less people are doing CIMA & more ACCA in pakistan?Although CIMA can do both jobs of AUDIT & Decision making while ACCA just only audit.IS CIMA is difficult or any other reason?

naeem
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---It is rather interesting that you can make such statements, such Ad Hominem Abusive arguments, but I have heard much of the same from other members also. Is it possible that you could produce some argumentation -- some factual argumentation .

Naeem you should base your arguments on facts. Who said that ACCA's cant do decision making. Just go through the syllabes of 2.4, 3.7. I think it will clear your confusion. I dont think that CIMA qualifed can start there own Auditing firm. (I am not sure correct me if i am wrong). Nontheless your this argument against ACCA's is wrong as they can definately be involved in Decision Making.

As always, all your opinions must be supported - you should produce your evidence and explain why this evidence supports your point of view. It is important to distinguish between your claim (proposition, thesis) - your point of view, what you believe; your evidence (support or grounds) - the facts, data and examples that support your point of view - and your reasons (warrant or argument) - why you believe what you do, how the evidence you have provided leads to the claim your are making. Base your arguments on specific evidence not on assertion or generalization.

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naeem sarwar · 03-09-2005, 12:40 AM

this statement was posted by shahzad on this address

CIMA or ACCA naeem sarwar 1 33 Mar 06 2005 121144 AM
by shahzad

naeem

the_farhan · 03-09-2005, 04:23 AM

for decision making, both r equally capable. website of CIMA says that ACCA n CIMA ppl can b working in the same companies, on the same jobs even. so, i dont feel any lacking in ACCA for decision-making.

as far as it matters tht more ppl opt for ACCA thn CIMA in pakistan, the main reason is tht the infrastructure for ACCA in pak is superb, well supported by ICAP colleges, all of these r providing tutions for ACCA.

but for CIMA, things r not so well organized yet. only SBS is offering the tutions for CIMA, the other colleges r not doing so currently, although they do advertise in DAWN tht they provide tutions. i ve personally contacted all ICAP colleges in karachi to realize this fact.

so i feel tht availability of proper tution providers n examination centres is the prime reason.



FARHAN

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Desert Sleet · 03-09-2005, 04:40 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by naeem sarwar
 this statement was posted by shahzad on this address

CIMA or ACCA naeem sarwar 1 33 Mar 06 2005 121144 AM
by shahzad

naeem
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Shahzad was wrong. I am sorry as i was not able to read his post and likewise coudnt comment on it. Thanks for bringing it into my attention. And Naeem dont beleive everything blindly. First check out other relevant facts .
Here is a Quote for you.....
<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">"I feel that to 'believe' in something is like selling yourself short. You don't truly know. To know something is fact, facts out-way believing, kids believe the tooth fairy is coming when they lose a tooth. Do they know for sure? NO. All I'm Saying is, To believe in yourself and to KNOW in yourself is two different things."<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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shahzad · 03-09-2005, 06:55 AM

hi to all,
desert sleet,there is nothing in the acca decision making papes,these papers just touch the decision making proces, and u all r saying that acca coaching is well organized in pakistan so its easy to clear, no not at all, acca course material is very simple so easy to clear,,and an acma is a good decision maker and auditor, but i have not heared about any acca who is decision maker
shahzad

Desert Sleet · 03-09-2005, 02:02 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shahzad
 hi to all,
desert sleet,there is nothing in the acca decision making papes,these papers just touch the decision making proces, and u all r saying that acca coaching is well organized in pakistan so its easy to clear, no not at all, acca course material is very simple so easy to clear,,and an acma is a good decision maker and auditor, but i have not heared about any acca who is decision maker
shahzad
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That, which you know and understand, you can control and manage. It's only the knowledge that regulates the results. It's only the lack of knowledge that causes mistakes, losses and failures. If you arent aware of any Decion maker ACCA's in Pakistan, it certainly doesnt prooves that they dont exist. I know many of them and this is definately your lack of knowledge which is probably persuading you to speak in this fashion.

When freedom of expression in any forum is misused to uphold injustice and unfairness or abused to propagate falsehood, the populace will make erroneous decisions and suffer the consequences. However, responsibly and carefully used freedom of expression, with progress at heart, will create harmony, developing healthy and mature culture. Many people are making a wrong use of it and writing any thing crap at the spot. This disinformation goes along with smear tactics, intimidation, mudslinging and demonisation of those who advocate devolution. If we are to develop our forum, it is important that we reverse this attitude and use our freedom of expression for the betterment. I hope you understood what i meant.

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shahzad · 03-11-2005, 07:37 AM

dear desert sleet,
the question was , which is better
cima or acca.
do u think, acca is better?

Desert Sleet · 03-11-2005, 07:07 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shahzad
 dear desert sleet,
the question was , which is better
cima or acca.
do u think, acca is better?
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All chartered qualifications have much the same market value, CIMA, ACCA, ICAEW, ICAS. Even CIPFA has its place.

How the different qualifications are viewed depends on who's doing the viewing. Once you've been qualified for a few years, it's your skills and experience that matter, not the letters after your name.

As a member of both, I would suggest you consider ACCA for the following reasons
-excellent technical resources and study aids for students
-oxford brookes honours degree in accounting, once you finish Stage 2 and complete a research and analysis project
-broader (but not diluted) syllabus that covers management, management accounting, financial accounting (IAS/IFRS), auditing, finance, IS, etc and focuses strongly on strategic aspects
-fast track to MBA after qualification, if needed
-popular and well known/respected in EU and most countries in the world
-ACCA was the first professional body to offer IAS/IFRS accounting training, the first to encourage environmental accounting and remains the only UK headquartered global body

Do not get me wrong, CIMA is an excellent and well respected qualification also. So when it comes to choice, its not so much a matter as which is "superior", its more the case of which body will support you better in your studies and throughout your life as a member, as well as provide you with access to professional contacts and resources globally.

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shahzad · 03-11-2005, 10:32 PM

dear desert sleet
yeh kiaa baat hoee kay appp ko coaching mil jiay aoor appp paprs clear kar jaeen like in acca
main cima koo iss liay superior samajhtaa hoon kay without any coaching,study text and helping material we guys are attepting papers
cima`s r challenge accepters

Desert Sleet · 03-12-2005, 01:53 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shahzad
 dear desert sleet
yeh kiaa baat hoee kay appp ko coaching mil jiay aoor appp paprs clear kar jaeen like in acca
main cima koo iss liay superior samajhtaa hoon kay without any coaching,study text and helping material we guys are attepting papers
cima`s r challenge accepters
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Pick the syllabus that interests you more because you will need a lot of stamina to get through the exams.
In long term carrer stakes the 2 qualifications are basically indistinguishable. Once you have the letters after your name your career will advance in accordance with how good you are. Almost nobody would make any sort of distinction whatsoever between the two once you are qualified.

Other points you may want to consider

1. If you want to work abroad ACCA is more well known.

2. How good is the teaching on offer for both syllabuses - ask the college you would be attending for overall pass rates on both syllabuses.

3. CIMA may merge with ICAEW (if both groups of members act for the good of the profession!) so you become a CA by the backdoor - which does win in the prestige stakes. Whereas ACCA seem to be pitting themselevs in competition with ICAEW to be the biggest

In industry the only time anyone is bothered about whether you are qualified or not is at recuitment, and then only that you qualified with a recognised body (this gives the employer some confidence in your standard of education), but the over-riding influence will be experience and personal skills. Whilst in post it is your performance that is the arbiter.

In practice most clients are totally ignorant of any distinction between the various bodies and they are only interested in that you are 'qualified'. Whether you are successful in practice, particulary sole practice, will be determined by your own personal and technical skills. Your clients will quite quickly find out if your technical skills are not good enough. Personal and inter-personal skills will largely determine your success. Personal organisational skills, sustained hard work, the ability to relate to people and to understand their problems and concerns, the ability to communicate information to them in a way they understand and above all integrity and high ethical standards will contribute to your success.

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