Corporate Governance in Pakistan

VITAL · 10-15-2010, 08:43 PM

Completely agreed with Kamran Bhai

awaisaftab · 10-15-2010, 09:22 PM

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Dear Yasir yeh sun ke khushee huyee k ap mujh se naraz nhn hain. Jhan tak interuption ka taluq ha to yhan koyee technical discussion to chal nhn rahee so lage raho.

Waise ab is Hosila Shikn Wale lafz ka peecha chore do to Acha hoga. Ap mujh se jab bhee directly baat kerte ho to yeh Hosila SHIKNI k alfaz zaroor use kerte ho. Hope you will not use these words in future.

Han Khairiat laine ka shukria

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Dear Awais, Yeh perh kar mujhay bhi khushi hui k Aap nay mari baat per yakeen kia. Aap nay mujh say kaha k Main "Hosla-shikni" ka lafz mustakbil main na istimaal karun, Agar aap ko meray iss Lafz "Hosla-shikni" k istimaal karnay say koi uljhan hui Tu meraa ek baar phir yakeen kijiyay k main Aap ki khidmat main Maazrat-khuaan hun.

Yeh lafz "hosla-shikni" main nay aap hi ki tehreer main kahin parha tha Aur mujhay bohat pasand aya tha, Lakin ab aap hi k kehnay per main Ainda aap say baat kartay huay iss Lafz "hosla-shikni" ko istiamal na karnay ki mukamal koshish karunga. Lakin kabhi kisi Aur say Mukhatib hotay wakt adatan yeh lafz "hosla-shikni" mari Tehreer main nazar ajai Tu naraz mat hoiyay ga..

Aap k liay Naik Tammanain rakhnay wala, Aap ka ye masooom bhai,

Yasir.

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Mere Peyare Masoom Bhai Yasir

Tum Waqi bohat masoom ho tumhary Naik Tamanaon Ka Shukria lakin mere bhai mujh ko yeh dar lug raha hi k tum per koyee ye ilzam na laga de k yasir asal main Awais hi hai ya Awais Yasir_live ki ID bhee use kerraha ha. Asal main mujh ko is bat ka dar hai k tumhare wajood ko koyee beWajood na kerde.

Anyhow Thanks k tum ne meree baat mani.

Your Brother Awais

Boss · 10-15-2010, 10:07 PM

Kamran, Maaf karna bhai may nay galati say soch liya tha that you must have been awarded good sense of humour.

But your reply reverse my anticipations about you.

If i said that "i dont know about your past interaction with him", it should mean that i didn't know about your interaction before my membership at this forum, i got registered on February, this year.

I didn't mean that, after i got registered, i have not gone through your posts against each other.

Further, at the following thread you have been agreed to Toronto Boy, that you have been agreed with his(Toronto Boy's) suggestions, now one may go through his posts and your post too.

(By saying " i have been agreed to you", should mean that i am agreed to you in all matters, you said; this clarification was necessary, since i dont know how you would treat my this statement as well)

http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8274&whichpage=1

(Personaly, i do not consider it viable to quote the same from there,at least at this thread; as you did against me)

By the way, your faint analysis indicates how many times you went through my post[)]

To your other queries, let me tell you, members should be responded in a way, their replies are appeared to others, irrespective of their sex and age. I did, what i considered feasible and i do have no repents in this regard. you would have done the same, should you was me.
However, i would have surely replied the same even if it were you.

Because i hate those who have no respect for others, so i am quite worst for bad people; at this thread you have shown your bad act against Awais, at "Zaid Hamid" thread, you became worst; although i do have no interaction with Awais, further, he has also said that he does not want to directly involve in any contravention with anyone, which clearly indicates that he didn't care of my posts which is in his support, though upto meager extent, but i do have no complain against him, since he has shown his good act by his mere simple sentence.

Although he could have treated you in the same way,in which you did, and if he does not do then do not assume that he cant, he may certainly. However, you should learn that you should now avoid using the tactic to tackle the people in a way , you do; specially to those who do not involve themselves like you.

Toronto_Boy · 10-16-2010, 03:27 AM

Aray Bhaio, aik din main 17 posts, wo bhi aik choti si baat par.

Bhaio, mujhay maloom hay aap sab ko buhat achi angrezi likhni aati hay magar aap sab say aik guzarish hay. Bhai, iss forum ko sirf Pakistani hi nahi parhtay balkay bahar kay ghair Pakistani log bhi parhtay hain, chahay wo contribute karain ya nahin karain. Zara sochain kay wo kia sochtay hongay aur kaysay hanstay hongay ham par. Khas tur par jab ham Pakistan aur iss forum ki achi image reflect karna chahtay hain. Wo kia sochtay hongay kay ham kaysay parhay likhay hain kay zara si tili dikhai nahi kay phat paray. Bhai, mayri request yah hay kay agar koi buhat hi mutanazia baat karni ho tu please zara Urdu main baat karlia karain. Omeed hay aap sab thanday dil o dimagh say ghor karain gay.

Bhaio, aap sab nay kaha kay aap ko koi farq nahi parta kay koi kia sochta ya samjhta hay. Mujhay aap ki baat say itifaq hay, magar bhaio, dunya ko ham kia message bhaij rahay hain, kion doosron ko hasnay ka moqa daytay hain. Aap sab Pakistan main rahtay hain iss liay shayad aap ko iss baat ka itna andaza na ho, magar bhai aap sab iss forum aur dosray tamam Pakistani forums kay zaryay aik global village main baythay hain. Agar dosray apkay saath interact nahi karrahay, tu iska yah matlab nahi kay wo apko daykh, sun (listen), ya parh bhi nahi rahay. Bhai, larai kay bhi kutch tareeqay hotay hain, jab ghar say awaz bahar jay tu muhallay walay bhi mazay laytay hain. Phir inhi baton ki waja say bayshumaar puranay Pakistani members shayad iss forum ko chor kar ja chukay. Or shayad kai readers bhi issi liay contribute karnay say ijtinaab kartay hongay.

Aakhir kab ham sab apni ghaltion say kutch seekhna shuroo karain gay?

Boss Bhai Main iss thread par kutch likhna nahi chahta tha, magar aap nay mayra naam bhi likh dya hay. Bhai, awal tu kisi makhsos thread par kisi member kay mayray saath agree karnay ka matlab yah tu nahi hay kay wo member har thread par har doosray member kay saath bhi agree karay gay, ya wo kisi dosray thread par bhi mayray saath agree karay ga. Bhai, agreement tu kisi kisi baat par kisi kisi jaga hota hay, nakay universal agreement.

Dear All Please kam az kam mayra naam reference main nahi dya karain. Aap sab ki mujh par ain nawazish hogi. Mujhay tu pahlay hi forum members bahar rahnay wala un-effected person samjh kar dehan nahi daytay. Kam az kam mujhay mazeed tu disputed na banai. Mazeed yah kay agar koi general message dayna bhi hoa karay, jaysay aik aur thread par accountancy forum kay baray main aik sahib nay apna perception byan kia hay aur os thread ka iss thread main bhi oper reference dya gya hay, tu kam az kam kisi forum member ka reference daynay say gurez kia karain, kionkay yah reference aik nai larai ko janam dayta hay. Bhai, apkay iss forum kay baray main general perception ko parhnay walay kisi member ka reference dyay bhaghair bhi samajh jain gay.

Bhai Awais Bhai bura mat manyay ga. Main aapkay contribution ko appreciate karta hun. Magar 2 saal pahlay bhi aap MashAllah kafi parhay likhay thay, oss waqt bhi aapko zara ahtyat karni chayay thi. Professional forums par readers ki expectation zara zyada hoti hay. Kisi bhi baat ko aap apnay alfaaz main byan karsaktay hain. Baqi, Admin kay kahnay kay baad mayra mazeed kutch kahna baykaar hay.

Bhai KamranACA Bhai, omeed hay aap bhi mayri baat par thanday dil say ghor karain gay. Bhai ham sab yahan sirf discussion hi karahay hotay hain. Aksar kisi baat ko buhat toool daynay say bhi kahi gai baat apna maqsad aur asar kho dayti hay. Phir har reader ki apni samjh ka level bhi hay. MashaAllah, aap kafi senior hain, students ko apni baat narmi say samjhain tu zyada asar hoga. Aur agar koi aapkay khyal main ghalat baat karnay par musir hi hotu muskura kar guzar jain. Bhai, phir english hamari madri zaban bhi nahi hay, writers say kabhi aysay alfaaz bhi istimaal hosaktay hain jo apkay khyal main misleading hun, tu kam az kam aap english kay madri zaban na honay ka advantage hi day dain. Jahan tak CCG kay thread ka taluq hay tu Awais nay relevant website ka reference bhi dya tha, aur CCG kay baray main koi tafseel bhi nahi likhi thi, tu issay Awais ka kaam assume karna kafi dur-az-kaar aur subjective baat hay. Bhai itni baat tu reader bhi samjhta hay kay CCG par original work kisi aur ka hay, nakay Awais ka. Haan agar hamain tanqeed hi karni hay tu phir tu koi yah swal bhi otha sakta hay kay Pakistan main har tarha ki knowledge including CCG main kitni percent hamari original contribution hay aur kitni bahar say li gai hay. Phir bhai, kam az kam mayri tu poori zindagi main nay jo bhi taleem hasil ki aur parha hay wo tamam kay tamam kisi aur insanon kay develop kiay hoay ideas hi hain. Haan ham sab hi apnay apnay mutabiq onko parhtay, samjhtay aur istimaal kartay hain. Ham main say kon hay jo yah kah sakta hay kay jo bhi mayray ideas hain, wo sab mayray apnay dimagh kay payda karda hain, aur on main say koi bhi kisi doosray insaan kay ideas nahi hay. Tu agar ham main say koi bhi forum member kisi bhi tarha kay ideas ko like karay, adopt karay, aur doosray forum members kay samnay paish karay tu iss main konsi anhoni baat hay. Taleem ka tu bunyadi maqsaad hi doosron kay ideas ko seekhna, samjhna, aur istimaal karna hota hay. Haan kutch buhat zaheen aur khosh qismat log un ideas ki bunyad par mazeed agay koi aur new original cheez invent kartay hain.

Bahar haal mayra maqsaad aapsay bahas karna nahi hay, balkay yah kahna hay kay narmi aur darguzar say kaam lain.

Dear All Main iss thread par bhi ab tak likhnay say ijtinaab hi karaha tha. Omeed hay aap log bhi mujhay quote karnay say ijtinaab karain gay. Baqi aap sab say yahi kahna hay kay likhna sab ko aata hay. Chahay ham par (yani likhnay walay par) koi farq paray ya na paray, parhnay walay ko zaroor farq parta hay. Aur parhnay walay dunya ka kisi bhi hissay main hosaktay hain.

awaisaftab · 10-16-2010, 04:55 AM

Dear Boss

You, Toronto Boy, and other members are making efforts to maintain professional environment at forum. Mr. Toronto Boy has made good efforts in this regard his efforts are really admirable. At a place he requested all members for positive attitude (The link of the thread on which the request made by him has already been quoted by you)

A person made commitment there but only few days he has proved that he does not honour his own written words. Everyone can see who started this unpleasant debate which is being continued on here. Simultaneously four / three post were written against me but I had been ignoring them till today. Even I wrote a post in my defense but latter I deleted this post. Why I was doing so???

All efforts made by me for the reason to maintain a professional environment. At one place requests made for professional attitude and the other hand personal attacks are made at several threads simultaneously

I can reply in the same tune, as you have said in your post, but I donât want to make this forum a battle field.

Dear Boss as far as your posts are concerned, which you have written in my support, keep it in mind I assume a honour for me for every single word which you have written in my support.

Dear Toronto Boy The only mistake I committed two years ago was that I did not quote the reference from where I took the article and please keep it in mind it was my first or second post on the forum. I was unaware of posting rules of forum at the same time at that time Copyright issue were not in my mind at that time. Ek aur baat admin kee mail mujh ko aj ya kal nhn ayee balke ye January 29,2009 ko ayee thee

Yhan sawal yeh peda hota hai k ghara hua murda ukharne kee zaroorat qun pesh ayee???

Is sawal ka jawab sab per ayan hai qun k yeh deewar per likhy huyee wazay tehreer kee trah ayan hai ke sirf zati Dushmani chukkane ke liay yeh sara mess create kia gaya.

Anyhow we should work to maintain professional environment on the forum.

kamranACA · 10-16-2010, 06:33 AM

Boss

Bari door ke kori laaey ho bhayya ) I was anticipating some well-structured response form you keeping in view your chit chat with some other members but â¦â¦. Anyway!

Brother, my agreement to the suggestion of Torontoboy was with respect to another fellow on the thread quoted above. I believe we criticize something for aggregate and generalized correction; and may you be doing the same as well, as per your apprehension.

I felt that my pointing out of a person who has used indecent language for a female member at this forum has been misinterpreted by you. It was to recall a member who did so and was banned by the Admin so donât mix it up for yourself.

As far as one specific forum member is concerned, he has ever been found reaching/jumping to conclusions taking half bite of what others have done or said; and without grasping the theme and essence of any matter under discussion. This is not the story of one or two times; rather, is a permanent feature. I guess I should avoid quoting a number of hilarious things done on various threads which when corrected, have never left any impact.

About that specific member, I have in my earlier communications categorically mentioned that whenever such a vague post will come, it will be criticized. There were and there are no two intentions. Now, whether or not any one takes it seriously, and regardless of whoever supports or does not support him, carries no meaning as the purpose is pre-determined.

Dear Torontoboy

I know what you are saying carries a lot of weight yet, we cannot portray our good picture outside unless we correct our own people at home land. Thatâs why you sitting outside should feel bit contended that the automated process of inside correction is in vogue. You have very rightly said that agreeing to you on a specific thread and for a specific person or issue does not mean that we are obliged to agree on everything and on every thread and about every person. As far as others are concerned let them feel what they want; we see their forums and read the comments which are even beyond the human respect levels not for their own people but for others as well. At least here we are not disgracing any nation or any human being for no justification or for avenge of crusades, as they use to do.

There is no personalized antagonism with anyone on this thread or forum; and there is no reason for having such enmity. However, we have since the outset of 2009 been seeing a number of extremely illiterate, yet confident, blunders of that very member which prompted cautioning him time and again to take care in future to which he has never given an ear. People who know me can well understand that if I have written this last sentence I am capable to prove such blunders with appropriate references as well without caring for the ultimate outcome.

He never hesitated in mentioning names of institutions, professional firms, professional accountants and their clients in making baseless arguments and putting illiterate allegations, the alphabets of which matters are beyond his absorption capacity. He never hesitated in spreading ethnic, religious and regional hatreds without any provocation. He always jumps on conclusions without providing room of any clarification or explanation. If he or any of his supporter wishes knowing or finding such hazardous contribution of this member, let me know and I will start quoting from Jan 2009. Members must not forget that I am not the only one who has asked him number of times to mend these practices. He has faced critical feedback from many other forum members as well merely for the reasons I am mentioning here.

Now he asks why this garhaa murdaa has been carved out; he should know the reason. I am not saying that we should not learn from ideas of others; we should definitely. But we should not write on public forums thatâ¦..âbala bala I discussed one and a half year back and now what I said beforehand has eventually been surfacedââ¦â¦. CCG is the issue on which the whole world has been concentrating; the things that were discussed by the regulators in year 2003 and were well deliberated among all professionals country wide should not be tagged to our own names if we are really professionals. When this thing was mentioned to make him understand, he denied everything. Thatâs why his other thread on same sub-forum was also opened to clarify him that he is habitual of doing the things so he should not deny what has been mentioned to make him realize. Had the opening of this very thread been the outcome of person enmity I would have opted to open his all threads on all sub-forums. Certainly I am not here to waste my time in his enmity, yet, the slanderous posts and claims which boil your mind make you to point out the issue for public knowledge at least.

You can check his posts to which he claims as âNOTESâ or âTOPICSâ of his own brain and I bet you will find the copy cat acts in more than 50-60% places in such topics. Thatâs why I said it is not the story of one or two threads.

I have no hostility and I am not here to create issues; yet when something incorrect and baseless will be mentioned or claimed, I will at least raise voice against it and highlight for the knowledge of readers at large. This is not the first time I am mentioning this for record.

Dear All

I am supposed to be out of touch for a few days due to my outstation visit so you may or not may find my up-front response to further posts though I would try to do it, if need will arise. Yes, Inshallah I will resume when revert.

Regards,

Toronto_Boy · 10-16-2010, 07:20 AM

Bhaio

Thora likhay ko kafi janain. Ab tak aap sab nay jo kutch bhi likha hay wo apka point of view byan karnay kay liay kafi say zyada hay, aur ham sab readers ki samjh main bhi achi tarha aagya hay. Agay iss surat-e-haal ko toool dayna mayray khyal main munasib na hoga. Baqi aap sab hi MashAllah samjhdaar hain.

KamranACA, aap saath khairyat kay wapas aain tu InshaAllah kisi aur doosray mozu par baat hogi.

Wassalam