07-16-2010, 06:06 PM
Dard
The one who is junior or short in experience is a junior and short in experience. There is nowhere to run of universal truths. However, juniors can be correct in some specific observations but not in such broader allegations. The experience of my life tells that in majority of cases this is only our own misunderstanding which portrays the things incorrectly to our eyes. Saying this does not mean that I am too senior; no, I am also in the phase of learning and I believe it is a life time process. Yet, the difference in each stage of life counts and there is no alternative of experience at all.
I also believe that time remains same always, and nothing has changed in fact; there is only a need of having strength to find and accept what is what.
Let us discuss the changes you feel time has posed with its passage. What the all grouses are about? Stipend? Excessive working hours? Stiff conditions? Pressures? etc etc etc....... Brother, do you just dare to take a glimpse of any other "PROFESSIONAL CAREER" in Pakistan as well as in the world? I mean Engineering, Medicine, Science and research, Armed forces, Games or whatever. I am talking about professional career. CA is not a simple academic study; it's one of the stiffest professional careers at least in Pakistan. Look at how difficult are conditions and trainings of other professionals as well, and how meager they are paid DESPITE the fact that they are also among the most elevated beings in a society.
Do you know what stipend is paid to MBBS doctors during their house job and those vigorous night shifts and hard disgracing conditions they face besides studying for their MLE or FCPS etc in similar days? Until too recent time it was Rs. 6,000 pm. (I donât know current rate). If you figure out, you will conclude that a mason or some skillful mechanic or technician can earn more than an MBBS house-job trainee as well. This is not only in Pakistan, rather even at UK or other European countries, situation is same. Do you know what trainee lawyers earn in Pakistan during compulsory training required by Bar Associations before giving them a license to practice? Have you any idea of training environment of professional army officers? Their trainers who are far below than the designation of a commissioned officer earn far better than trainee cadets and freshly commissioned second lieutenants. Do you feel they are doing some JEHAD with their lives? No, all around the world joining Army means joining a professional career. Do you know what they have to put in for being such a professional? I am sorry to say EVEN THEIR LIVES.
Every professional study and career is similar in its conditions. It needs extreme dedication, courage and sincerity and it is not running for your families and earning bread and butter for them. If you feel a mason can earn better bread and butter than a trainee then you are totally wrong; why donât you opt to be a mason or mechanic? Just because your goal is bigger. For getting elevation you have to sacrifice. Do you know what takes to become even a mason or mechanic? Again a stiff training and learning. Do you know what those trainees get who opt to become a Mason or Mechanic. What are you talking about and what the guys compare. I just laugh sometimes. People don't even realize what they have written.
Itâs good for registered students if ICAP increases this amount further, yet, it is not the purpose or objective of your doing CA at all and it will create harder times for new ones to come and join the firms because economics is everywhere and managing oneâs resources and applications is every oneâs basic right.
I believe whoever worries about stipend should worry about his study, because this is the best shortcut to get your stipends increased swiftly. Why students never think on it. I remember, those were ONLY few months when I got the lowest slab of stipend at my time just because I adopted this shortcut. I also believe that whoever worries about the difficulties of training environment, pressures, excessive workload etc during this meager amount of 3 years, he should realize what is happening at other professional careers and what the life requires for achieving any bigger goal.
Believe you me, either it is stipends or working conditions, all professional careers require extra efforts, dedication, humble behavior, sincerity, diligence, and objectivity.
Young generation thinks that life SHOULD BE bed of roses. Buddy, this has never to be a case. Neither this was for the ones who passed away nor for the ones who have to come. You have to undergo all these pressures and difficult times if you wish to be "professional" and if you wish to achieve your objective.
In fact chaps don't even know what is their complaint? There is in fact no complaint at all if one is reasonable and thinks reasonably; this is a frustration we all face during our training that makes us to yell like this.
Dard,
It would be far better if you chaps leave arguing merely for the sake of arguments. Just for a moment think what PERSONAL grouse you have with any firm in fact? Do you have? You are not even into this trade at this point of time. But when JOSHEELEE debate comes, you think it your privilege to declare that grouses are genuine. ) You know in fact the same-thing is happening everywhere when you see complaints against the profession. Kisi ko koi chote lagi hai tu kisi ko koi, and nobody looks into the real problems and keeps on reducing his frustration by doing these irrelevant things. The majority has no factual complaint if you dig out the problems of each of such complainant. We just dump our frustration (in majority of cases caused by our own circumstances) by committing these things and designing the reasons of our failures of whatever nature. This is our nature that we always wish to shift the burden of our responsibilities on the shoulders of others.
Hadeedian's issue is different. I know from where he is speaking and what actually his problem is. He has in fact seen some harsh days, and he has simply misperceived and misunderstood his career requirement. He himself agrees on it. He is not raising the questions which are of his concern nor does he have any grip on the subject matter. I AGAIN TELL YOU THAT HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER OF HIS QUESTIONS AND HE HAS ALSO NO PROFESSIONAL OR ACADEMIC CONCERN WITH SUCH QUESTION AT THE LEVEL HE IS. This is just to reduce frustration. I have tried to reduce the difference he cropped up in his mind but against the expectation I could not. Still, I wish him every success to his future whatever he wishes to do. After all somewhere one has to be adoptable and this is the thing which human learns only with the passage of time. You cannot be a rebel in any field if you wish to do something in such a field. You have to flow with the system to mend its pitfalls (if any); and if you will adopt a reverse direction, you will eventually be the failure and loser. Any pressure will crush you and we are seeing same thing happening.
I am not supporting the profession illogically for a thing where I should not. Yes, I cannot accept a wrong version as well against the profession because I have seen these all stages as well.
Hope you will understand.
Regards
The one who is junior or short in experience is a junior and short in experience. There is nowhere to run of universal truths. However, juniors can be correct in some specific observations but not in such broader allegations. The experience of my life tells that in majority of cases this is only our own misunderstanding which portrays the things incorrectly to our eyes. Saying this does not mean that I am too senior; no, I am also in the phase of learning and I believe it is a life time process. Yet, the difference in each stage of life counts and there is no alternative of experience at all.
I also believe that time remains same always, and nothing has changed in fact; there is only a need of having strength to find and accept what is what.
Let us discuss the changes you feel time has posed with its passage. What the all grouses are about? Stipend? Excessive working hours? Stiff conditions? Pressures? etc etc etc....... Brother, do you just dare to take a glimpse of any other "PROFESSIONAL CAREER" in Pakistan as well as in the world? I mean Engineering, Medicine, Science and research, Armed forces, Games or whatever. I am talking about professional career. CA is not a simple academic study; it's one of the stiffest professional careers at least in Pakistan. Look at how difficult are conditions and trainings of other professionals as well, and how meager they are paid DESPITE the fact that they are also among the most elevated beings in a society.
Do you know what stipend is paid to MBBS doctors during their house job and those vigorous night shifts and hard disgracing conditions they face besides studying for their MLE or FCPS etc in similar days? Until too recent time it was Rs. 6,000 pm. (I donât know current rate). If you figure out, you will conclude that a mason or some skillful mechanic or technician can earn more than an MBBS house-job trainee as well. This is not only in Pakistan, rather even at UK or other European countries, situation is same. Do you know what trainee lawyers earn in Pakistan during compulsory training required by Bar Associations before giving them a license to practice? Have you any idea of training environment of professional army officers? Their trainers who are far below than the designation of a commissioned officer earn far better than trainee cadets and freshly commissioned second lieutenants. Do you feel they are doing some JEHAD with their lives? No, all around the world joining Army means joining a professional career. Do you know what they have to put in for being such a professional? I am sorry to say EVEN THEIR LIVES.
Every professional study and career is similar in its conditions. It needs extreme dedication, courage and sincerity and it is not running for your families and earning bread and butter for them. If you feel a mason can earn better bread and butter than a trainee then you are totally wrong; why donât you opt to be a mason or mechanic? Just because your goal is bigger. For getting elevation you have to sacrifice. Do you know what takes to become even a mason or mechanic? Again a stiff training and learning. Do you know what those trainees get who opt to become a Mason or Mechanic. What are you talking about and what the guys compare. I just laugh sometimes. People don't even realize what they have written.
Itâs good for registered students if ICAP increases this amount further, yet, it is not the purpose or objective of your doing CA at all and it will create harder times for new ones to come and join the firms because economics is everywhere and managing oneâs resources and applications is every oneâs basic right.
I believe whoever worries about stipend should worry about his study, because this is the best shortcut to get your stipends increased swiftly. Why students never think on it. I remember, those were ONLY few months when I got the lowest slab of stipend at my time just because I adopted this shortcut. I also believe that whoever worries about the difficulties of training environment, pressures, excessive workload etc during this meager amount of 3 years, he should realize what is happening at other professional careers and what the life requires for achieving any bigger goal.
Believe you me, either it is stipends or working conditions, all professional careers require extra efforts, dedication, humble behavior, sincerity, diligence, and objectivity.
Young generation thinks that life SHOULD BE bed of roses. Buddy, this has never to be a case. Neither this was for the ones who passed away nor for the ones who have to come. You have to undergo all these pressures and difficult times if you wish to be "professional" and if you wish to achieve your objective.
In fact chaps don't even know what is their complaint? There is in fact no complaint at all if one is reasonable and thinks reasonably; this is a frustration we all face during our training that makes us to yell like this.
Dard,
It would be far better if you chaps leave arguing merely for the sake of arguments. Just for a moment think what PERSONAL grouse you have with any firm in fact? Do you have? You are not even into this trade at this point of time. But when JOSHEELEE debate comes, you think it your privilege to declare that grouses are genuine. ) You know in fact the same-thing is happening everywhere when you see complaints against the profession. Kisi ko koi chote lagi hai tu kisi ko koi, and nobody looks into the real problems and keeps on reducing his frustration by doing these irrelevant things. The majority has no factual complaint if you dig out the problems of each of such complainant. We just dump our frustration (in majority of cases caused by our own circumstances) by committing these things and designing the reasons of our failures of whatever nature. This is our nature that we always wish to shift the burden of our responsibilities on the shoulders of others.
Hadeedian's issue is different. I know from where he is speaking and what actually his problem is. He has in fact seen some harsh days, and he has simply misperceived and misunderstood his career requirement. He himself agrees on it. He is not raising the questions which are of his concern nor does he have any grip on the subject matter. I AGAIN TELL YOU THAT HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER OF HIS QUESTIONS AND HE HAS ALSO NO PROFESSIONAL OR ACADEMIC CONCERN WITH SUCH QUESTION AT THE LEVEL HE IS. This is just to reduce frustration. I have tried to reduce the difference he cropped up in his mind but against the expectation I could not. Still, I wish him every success to his future whatever he wishes to do. After all somewhere one has to be adoptable and this is the thing which human learns only with the passage of time. You cannot be a rebel in any field if you wish to do something in such a field. You have to flow with the system to mend its pitfalls (if any); and if you will adopt a reverse direction, you will eventually be the failure and loser. Any pressure will crush you and we are seeing same thing happening.
I am not supporting the profession illogically for a thing where I should not. Yes, I cannot accept a wrong version as well against the profession because I have seen these all stages as well.
Hope you will understand.
Regards
