07-17-2010, 11:08 PM
Because you are arguing simply for the sake of argument and not for any reasonable purpose.
The point is to analyze the conditions and circumstances which one faces during the training period as per his own cutlture and environment. Whatever one faces or gets in his training period cannot be compared with what the people get after passing through such phase. That's why I said compare apple with apple and orange with orange.
Pakistani trainees have to be compared with the conditions they face during their training keeping in view Pakistani conditions of all similar profession;s and UK trainees have to be compared with the conditions generally prevelant in UK and with other similar professions in UK. You will find things alike in all professional careers at a given place. Same hardships and difficulties!
If cross border comparison is required then you will have to discount all other life's conditions as well. Certainly you cannot do so. And yes, also keep in mind that a Pakistani student does not have free choice to leave Pakistan and be a part of UK if he dislikes his local setup. This requires so much and keeping in view our earlier exchange of posts I know you will not understand it. So advice for you is to, "okay, then go and get training at UK".
One thing I specifically wish to mention for you and ACCA students who feel the firms are too bad, conditions are too hard, and stipends are to meager and should be converted to salary etc. You guys should avoid joining firms. Is it okay with you all?
Keep in mind one thing, where the competition is open and nothing is regulated then the prices fetched by services are also the open market prices. Since you are an ACCA student, none of the firm is under any moral or legal duty to entertain you at all; and similarly you are also not at all obliged to join the firms only for your training, so your situation draws certain logical inferences. Your debate on this thread altogether does not make sense because you are not the one who should argue for stipends fixed by ICAP and stiff conditions being faced in the ICAP regulated firms. Further, as you can join firms as well as industry so you need not to be adoptable for the so-called bad environment of the firms and meager stipends. Go and join the multinationals, if you worth to and as you all claim. If you wish to join firms and can prove that you have far better market worth, then prove yourself and get as maximum stipend as your worth can bring for you. Mind it, for ACCA trainees there is no minimum stipend and they are an open market competitor, so, test your luck and whatever you will get name it to your capabilities and not to any regulated policies.
We (hadeedian and myself) are discussing CA students and their issues within CA firms in Pakistan. It's not about ACCA trainees.
I hope you will control your thirst of arguing for the sake of argument.
Regards,
The point is to analyze the conditions and circumstances which one faces during the training period as per his own cutlture and environment. Whatever one faces or gets in his training period cannot be compared with what the people get after passing through such phase. That's why I said compare apple with apple and orange with orange.
Pakistani trainees have to be compared with the conditions they face during their training keeping in view Pakistani conditions of all similar profession;s and UK trainees have to be compared with the conditions generally prevelant in UK and with other similar professions in UK. You will find things alike in all professional careers at a given place. Same hardships and difficulties!
If cross border comparison is required then you will have to discount all other life's conditions as well. Certainly you cannot do so. And yes, also keep in mind that a Pakistani student does not have free choice to leave Pakistan and be a part of UK if he dislikes his local setup. This requires so much and keeping in view our earlier exchange of posts I know you will not understand it. So advice for you is to, "okay, then go and get training at UK".
One thing I specifically wish to mention for you and ACCA students who feel the firms are too bad, conditions are too hard, and stipends are to meager and should be converted to salary etc. You guys should avoid joining firms. Is it okay with you all?
Keep in mind one thing, where the competition is open and nothing is regulated then the prices fetched by services are also the open market prices. Since you are an ACCA student, none of the firm is under any moral or legal duty to entertain you at all; and similarly you are also not at all obliged to join the firms only for your training, so your situation draws certain logical inferences. Your debate on this thread altogether does not make sense because you are not the one who should argue for stipends fixed by ICAP and stiff conditions being faced in the ICAP regulated firms. Further, as you can join firms as well as industry so you need not to be adoptable for the so-called bad environment of the firms and meager stipends. Go and join the multinationals, if you worth to and as you all claim. If you wish to join firms and can prove that you have far better market worth, then prove yourself and get as maximum stipend as your worth can bring for you. Mind it, for ACCA trainees there is no minimum stipend and they are an open market competitor, so, test your luck and whatever you will get name it to your capabilities and not to any regulated policies.
We (hadeedian and myself) are discussing CA students and their issues within CA firms in Pakistan. It's not about ACCA trainees.
I hope you will control your thirst of arguing for the sake of argument.
Regards,
