10-24-2009, 07:37 PM
Sohail / ad2478
I would like to comment on ranking of universities first of all. Here on the focal point I do not disagree to all of you since the ranking has its importance and cannot be changed whatever we say.
Notwithstanding with my agreement with you, let me mention some other facts as well. We are discussing quality education that we largely accept is not available in Pakistan. I explained that in some cases it does exist here as well but it is so costly that poorer and middle class students cannot be benefited. I also tried emphasizing that we need a comprehensive education policy and major reforms in education especially at public sector.
Ad2478 said that our universities are not up to the international level so we cannot get that level of education despite whatever name we have in the list. Just assuring you that the subject is not being rotated, I would reiterate that the purpose of quality education is to develop our country at the level other nations are proceeding. Having a big name and having a quality education provider in place can be two separate things.
If due to economic, financial and political reasons or for anonymous reasons as well even our good deeds, good people and good institutes are not recognized by those nations, then we cannot conclude that our elite educational bodies have no worth. If an institute is benefiting us at its optimum and is contributing in development far better than others in place (in the circumstances) then we should accept its significance at least for the sake of inspiration for rest of the education system.
I am of the view that if we have a quality institute like LUMS or IBA, others should also follow it in the same sense regardless of how it is recognized in the world. A step forward by all is inevitable to reach a point where we will be accepted by the world.
As far as ICAP CAs and their position worldwide is concerned, please let me explain that what I wrote does not refer to rare cases at all. I must mention that out of 4243 members (as per 2008-2009 membersâ directory) 941 members are working abroad (more than 22 percent i.e. a significant proportion). If you will go through the names working abroad you will find RARE or NIL cases which would not be properly settled. Majority of such 941 members would appear to be occupying worthy and lucrative positions including the big 4.
Certainly they all got such positions after competing ICAEWâs CAs and others (as may be applicable at each location) in the competition since we cannot expect references working aboard substantially in all cases and especially in western countries.
If one feels that 941 is tiny figure he should also see that total population is merely 4243 and a sample has to be taken from the total population. So I hope you would understand this is not a case treated as RARE one. If we are small, we have a little voice or we are not an economic power, this has to be discussed separately.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
I would like to comment on ranking of universities first of all. Here on the focal point I do not disagree to all of you since the ranking has its importance and cannot be changed whatever we say.
Notwithstanding with my agreement with you, let me mention some other facts as well. We are discussing quality education that we largely accept is not available in Pakistan. I explained that in some cases it does exist here as well but it is so costly that poorer and middle class students cannot be benefited. I also tried emphasizing that we need a comprehensive education policy and major reforms in education especially at public sector.
Ad2478 said that our universities are not up to the international level so we cannot get that level of education despite whatever name we have in the list. Just assuring you that the subject is not being rotated, I would reiterate that the purpose of quality education is to develop our country at the level other nations are proceeding. Having a big name and having a quality education provider in place can be two separate things.
If due to economic, financial and political reasons or for anonymous reasons as well even our good deeds, good people and good institutes are not recognized by those nations, then we cannot conclude that our elite educational bodies have no worth. If an institute is benefiting us at its optimum and is contributing in development far better than others in place (in the circumstances) then we should accept its significance at least for the sake of inspiration for rest of the education system.
I am of the view that if we have a quality institute like LUMS or IBA, others should also follow it in the same sense regardless of how it is recognized in the world. A step forward by all is inevitable to reach a point where we will be accepted by the world.
As far as ICAP CAs and their position worldwide is concerned, please let me explain that what I wrote does not refer to rare cases at all. I must mention that out of 4243 members (as per 2008-2009 membersâ directory) 941 members are working abroad (more than 22 percent i.e. a significant proportion). If you will go through the names working abroad you will find RARE or NIL cases which would not be properly settled. Majority of such 941 members would appear to be occupying worthy and lucrative positions including the big 4.
Certainly they all got such positions after competing ICAEWâs CAs and others (as may be applicable at each location) in the competition since we cannot expect references working aboard substantially in all cases and especially in western countries.
If one feels that 941 is tiny figure he should also see that total population is merely 4243 and a sample has to be taken from the total population. So I hope you would understand this is not a case treated as RARE one. If we are small, we have a little voice or we are not an economic power, this has to be discussed separately.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
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