which one is best for me ICMA OR ACCA.

MEMON · 09-26-2004, 03:03 AM

WHICH ONE IS BEST ICMA OR ACCA.HOW MUCH SALARY WE GET IN BOTH FIELD IN PAKISTAN AND DUBAI.
MAXIMUM SALARY OF ACCA AND ICMA IN PAK AND DUBAI.
WHICH ONE IS BEST?
REPLY SOON
BYE.

KUTIYANA

Pracs · 09-26-2004, 03:25 PM

ACCA is better than ICMA (Pak) or CIMA (UK),,, if you look at the ME market... salary depends on relevant experience,, if you have a 3 year big 4 experience,,, i'd say ranges from Dirhams 5,000-7,000..

"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311

smraza · 09-26-2004, 04:44 PM

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ACCA is better than ICMA (Pak) or CIMA (UK),,, if you look at the ME market... salary depends on relevant experience,, if you have a 3 year big 4 experience,,, i'd say ranges from Dirhams 5,000-7,000..

"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311
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Agreed with Pracs, i dont know about the current ME environment, as far as Pakistan is concerned, You must go for ACCA, as ACCAs pace of growth and popularity is mush faster than ACMA, Im sure that ACCAs will capture the pakistani market if compared with ACMAs.

Take care.

SMR

Ehrar_ACMA · 09-28-2004, 05:02 AM

Dear Friends

I agreed with your comments that ACCA is better then ACMA(Pak) as far as pakistan is concern due to agri- base economy......but it is very difficult for ACCA to have a position as a substitute of ICMA grad..inspite of the fact that emplyers/students are moving towards ACCA then ICMAP/ICAP qualifieds.......& it is truth after ACCA , ICAP revenues & no. of students has declined .........but as far as CIMA (ACMA), UK is concern i again do not agree with u all.....What CIMA has prooved in UK market CIMA grad. can do any thing except finanical audit...(other performance evaluation he can do better than all in the world)........If u go in further deatils,then u will find the edge of CIMA over ACCA or ACA(Pak) on others ...being a professinal accounting body it has its own research over different areas of business & applications of IAS-AS other laws...even IFAC requests/prefers CIMA to do reseach for curretn projetcs of IASB/IFAC( Source IFAC/CIMA Web Site)...Futher go through the study material of CIMA u will find as..CIMA defines "management Accounting" as....CIMA defines "out sourcing" as... all other things.....etc..wat deos it mean it has its own research it does not adopt defination of others on CORE CIMA topics...while they (ICAP,ICAMP, ACCA...) they dont have such sort of arrangement.....It is just like a ufone add...Do u have MMS/GPRS in ur fone...." Nahee na..!!<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>,<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Furhter Consolidatin of CIMA, ICAEW, CIPFA is being considered but not ACCA......why....? beco z they know ACCA is not competeive qualification for them......

furhter personal skills are very countable.....
As far as Pakistan is concern , CIMA qualification will pay u when u will have 5 years experience with CIMA-ACMA....see the sunday dawn for all blue chips.....they prefer CIMA or foiegn qualified person over ACA-ICAP ...see the last sundays add of Pakistan Paper printing....ABACUS Global consultant,,Glaxosmith...Engro Chemicals, etc...for Senior Manager/CFO........

As far as dubai is concern wat I heared they prefer to CIMA in all jobs except audit............

Now as far as supply /demand is concern from last two years only six CIMA qualifies in Pakistan in one attempt......

yes defintely it does not see.....CIMA qualified are on top post as such but they are few.very few but on the top...Javaid Iqbal ,FCMA-CIMA Ex-Director Philips , Badruddin Fakhiri , FCMA-CIMA, Director Finance, Senior Manager Fianance Hub Power & co....CIMA qualifed ..when he left company then the same company published add for CIMA qualified.......becoz they know there is no substitute of CIMA.....dear...

I repeat , they are few but on the Top.........

Regards,

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Kh. Ehrar Hasan
APA,ACMA,CIA,M.A(Eco),
CIMA(Inter)-IBP,Stage-I

shehzad · 09-29-2004, 03:29 PM

With due respect to you all , I disagree .

It is a known fact that ACCA is far more easier to OVERCOME ( READ PASS )than exams of ICMAP or ICAP .

I have seen hordes of COOTCHY COOES ) clearing the parts of ACCA like a piece o' cake . I am afraid the same cannot be said regarding ICMAP . The passing criteria is far far more tougher than ACCA .

Regarding the ads of Blue chip Corporations for an ACCA ! ! ! ! ; errrrrrrrr.....
the ppl at the top echelons donot even aware of the fact that how an ACCA is going to WORK OUT and file the tax return and how come THE Mortgage and Charge register have not been maintained . )

Finally ACCA has somehow its worth simply because there is a CA at the end and that appeals .

As far as comparison to ACMA , no way .

Pracs · 09-29-2004, 04:12 PM

We are discussing more of the market image these degrees have,.. ACCA stands out in the middle east for sure,, people have no idea about ACMA in here.. I agree they have lower pass percentages for ACMA.. but what good is that,, if it does not translate into a Market savy degree.. any ACCA who's through a Big 4 is pretty much conversant with law and tax issues.. the new breed of ACCAs will overcome this too with local variants being offered from Dec 2004

"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311

Goodman · 09-29-2004, 05:21 PM

<pre id=code> Finally ACCA has somehow its worth simply because there is a CA at the end and that appeals </pre id=code>

I hate to draw your attention to the fact that even ACMA has the words CA - in the beginning but wrong way round.

Please grow up and open up your eyes to the challanges being faced by us as a nation.

shehzad · 09-29-2004, 11:19 PM

(ACCA stands out in the middle east for sure,, people have no idea about ACMA in here..)

Yes sure thing Mr.Pracs , An Anglo Saxon OR Yankee Doodle Or French Poodle Degree is most sought after in the M.E , even if the degree is from a remote village of Corsica or from a smallville near the Alps , the Sheikhs dig them ....NO Matter what is the REAL worth , Western Qualification is high in demand .

(any ACCA who's through a Big 4 is pretty much conversant with law and tax issues..)

How mnay Big 4 are there . Only 4 . What about the rest ?

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(Please grow up and open up your eyes to the challanges being faced by us as a nation.)

Welcome to the Bandwagon Mr. Good Old Man , was expecting this from your kind .

Use Logic , instead of MUSCLE PROWESS of a Politician .

MR.Aziz is in dire need of one ...say ? ? ? should I talk to him ?. )

By the way , where is Bowman ? ? ?

Pracs · 09-30-2004, 12:35 AM

Well for that matter... french poodle or yankee doddole aside... pakistani CA is also highly regarded here.. in the middle east.. but i have not met many ACMA's at higher positions,,,

its for u all to figure out...

Big 4.. are ofcourse 4....

PwC, Deloitte, KPMG, EY...

Every body in the accounting profession knows about them, even ACMAs... the others have fizzled out. Andersen closed down,.. Coopers & Lybrand and PwC merged many years ago,.. Touche Ross, and Deloitte Haskin Sells merged too ages ago.. so did Peat Marwick and KPMG...

Shahzad have you been underground or something for some time now )

"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311

gnome · 09-30-2004, 08:54 PM

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With due respect to you all , I disagree .

It is a known fact that ACCA is far more easier to OVERCOME ( READ PASS )than exams of ICMAP or ICAP .

I have seen hordes of COOTCHY COOES ) clearing the parts of ACCA like a piece o' cake . I am afraid the same cannot be said regarding ICMAP . The passing criteria is far far more tougher than ACCA .

Regarding the ads of Blue chip Corporations for an ACCA ! ! ! ! ; errrrrrrrr.....
the ppl at the top echelons donot even aware of the fact that how an ACCA is going to WORK OUT and file the tax return and how come THE Mortgage and Charge register have not been maintained . )

Finally ACCA has somehow its worth simply because there is a CA at the end and that appeals .

As far as comparison to ACMA , no way .

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i agree with shehzad because i like to disagree with what all you people say. ACCA is a piece of cake and anyone can pass ACCA thats why i hate it like shehzad. because shehzad is a tough guy and wants to do the toughest things and i'm his big big fan so i too hate ACCA.

ICMAP rulez and thats the bottom line. ACMAs are gods and ACCA qualifieds are worth nothing. what if ICMAP doesnt hold as much worth as ACCA? atleast its far more difficult to 'OVERCOME' (READ PASS). yes i like to act over smart like shehzad too. don't you see he's just such a great attention seeker. you rule shehzad.

ACCA cant be compared to ICMAP. no no no way. you know why? just because shehzad said so. he is the representative of ICMAP here and he thinks because he's doing it its the toughest qualification out there. its recognized world wide you know. all the big multinationals in Sukker, Cheechawatni, Dera Ismail Khan, etc recognize it.

and if you don't agree with him next time, he'll show off more by throwing those difficult english words he thinks you people cannot understand and think he's elite. although he's just seeking attention and trying to act oversmart. yo shehzad you rule.

shehzad rules.. ICMAP rules..!!!

gnome · 09-30-2004, 09:04 PM

[Yes sure thing Mr.Pracs , An Anglo Saxon OR Yankee Doodle Or French Poodle Degree is most sought after in the M.E , even if the degree is from a remote village of Corsica or from a smallville near the Alps , the Sheikhs dig them ....NO Matter what is the REAL worth , Western Qualification is high in demand .]

yeah you see. u just dont know anything abt sheikhs. shehzad knows them a lot more than you do. why? oh well lets not get into the details. middle east is a crap place. and shehzad knows a lot more abt M.E than you do although he hasn't even seen it on the map.

[How mnay Big 4 are there . Only 4 . What about the rest ?]

yeah why ru only talking abt the Big4? shehzad knows abt all the other firms except the Big4. what abt Haji Jawed Mushtaq Ameen and Co., Shafiq mushtaq rahman pasha and co., ibrahim hameed chughtai majid and co? shehzad knows all about them.

[Welcome to the Bandwagon Mr. Good Old Man , was expecting this from your kind .
Use Logic , instead of MUSCLE PROWESS of a Politician .
MR.Aziz is in dire need of one ...say ? ? ? should I talk to him ?. ) ]

yeah u're old and bald coz u're an ACCA and CA. if u'd have been an ACMA, u'd be tall dark and handsome like shehzad.
and use logic just like i do. ICMAP has subjects a whole different subject of 'Logic'. thats why shehzad is so over smart. someday i just want to be like him. and Mr Shaukat Aziz is shehzad's phoppo ka beta isliye he'd talk to him whenever he 'd want to. He too hates ACCA and loves ICMAP.

yes shehzad you rule. u're my role model

shehzad · 09-30-2004, 11:36 PM

My My ) Look who just dropped by , a Gnome ! ! ! he he he what a coincidence Mr.Good Old Man turning into a Gnome instead of a charming Prince .LOL

Be a fighter , reveal thyself . har har har .

Wisdom My dear Dear Pracs ,wisdom ....

What i meant was that what about the ACCAs Not from the Big 4 .
You misunderstood my point .

God i had to digest a whole lecture on the who is who , boo hoo hoo )

Mr.Goodman / Mr.Gnome ( whoever u are )nice try .

Boy u surely gave me the creeps . )

WE are not after the Jugular Veins of one another , Think Logical and Speak Logical .

Hiding behind a Gnome's skirt . ha ha ha ha ..... so childish of you .

gnome · 10-01-2004, 07:45 AM

[My My ) Look who just dropped by , a Gnome ! ! ! he he he what a coincidence Mr.Good Old Man turning into a Gnome instead of a charming Prince]

hey shehzad u dnt remember me? i'm ur fan. ur only fan P
and for your kind information mr icmap representative, gnome doesn't only mean a tiny old woman. okay wait, let me open the dictionary so that my superhero can add a bit to his knowledge as well. it also means 'A short pithy saying expressing a general truth'.

[Wisdom My dear Dear Pracs ,wisdom ....
What i meant was that what about the ACCAs Not from the Big 4 .
You misunderstood my point .]

you see everytime my superhero can't explain something and think 'rationally' (READ SHEHZAD DOESNT HAVE A BRAIN) he goes on to choose the safest way out --->>> 'MISUNDERSTANDING'. haha. my superhero. my icmap representative D

[God i had to digest a whole lecture on the who is who , boo hoo hoo ) ]

wow. you see my superhero is the know-it-all icmap representative. even though he 'digested the whole lecture' he doesn't know who is who. hah. my supaahhhhhh hero!!!!!!

[Mr.Goodman / Mr.Gnome ( whoever u are )nice try .]

mr shehzad / icmap representative / mr know it all / mr i am right / mr i always make myself look like a complete idiot.

[Boy u surely gave me the creeps . )
WE are not after the Jugular Veins of one another , Think Logical and Speak Logical .]

yes he is right. we shouldnt be after vena jugularis of each other. we should think logical like every other forum member except him, we should accept him as our super hero. yyyyaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!

[Hiding behind a Gnome's skirt . ha ha ha ha ..... so childish of you .]

i'm wherever you are my superhero!!!!!!!!! . yeah so that lame laugh of yours ha ha ha ha.

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shehzad · 10-01-2004, 08:08 PM

Merci Mr. Leprechaun for all the compliments .

Thanks for being my ardent fan . Hah hah hah ) ) )

You have so much time to spare on net . (

Yaar i know very little angrezi , so spare me pleeeeeeeeeeease.

Yaar I tell u what ...................yes EUREKA ! ! ! !

I know it now .....MR.Goodman is actually a MS. Good Woman .

Aaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa! ! ! see bulls eye ....

Pls Pls dont ask how i found out ....

Simple JIGGER yaar ! ! ! .......Yah hah hahha haha .

Thanks for cheering up my day , my fair lady . ) ; ) ; )

gnome · 10-02-2004, 09:21 AM

[Thanks for being my ardent fan . Hah hah hah ) ) )]

you're welcome my superhero a.k.a mr i always make myself look stupid

[You have so much time to spare on net . (]

wow. you must be a rocket scientist eh? how did you figure that out? P haha

[Yaar i know very little angrezi , so spare me pleeeeeeeeeeease.]

you didnt have to tell me that D

[Yaar I tell u what ...................yes EUREKA ! ! ! !
I know it now .....MR.Goodman is actually a MS. Good Woman .
Aaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa! ! ! see bulls eye ....]

hah. dude you still make urself look lame. such a lamer! ask the admin to provide logs of ips. everyone will come to know how good my superhero's 'discovery' is~ PP

[Pls Pls dont ask how i found out ....]

NaCl + KCl ???? you mixed 'em both and out came your microscopic brain? and thats how you found out?
okay okay dnt worry i wont ask how you found out !! haha