Most Pleasing Step Of New Government

Pracs · 05-10-2008, 07:07 AM

I second Kamran's views here, all the way right to the last word. We all need to read Seerat un Nabi to understand what the place of Jehad is in Islam and what Islam is to be practised.

Amir talks about Kashmir and Palestine as Jehad, without realising Kashmir is a national movement always has been. Palestine, PLO has been and is a secular movement, with some of its front runner activists (diplomatic and others) being coptic Christians ! Hamas, the blue eyes jehadist outfit was a creation of the state of Israel to counter PLO and we see today how the two parties are fighting it out in the Palestenian territories.

Muhammad Amir · 05-11-2008, 02:52 AM

May Allah(S.W.T) give all of us long live to see the prosperity and renaissance of Islam.

Mr Pracs how easily you have said that Hammas was founded by Israel to encounter PLO(Palestine Liberation Organisation) even after knowing that PLO with Yaser Arafat and Mehmood Abbas is the front line defenders of Israeli terrorism.

The only moto of Hamas is that "Jahad is the only solution of Palestine Problem" and they have taken 76 out of 132 seat in parliamentry elections where as your beloved PLO(a secular Israeli group) has obtained only 43 seats.

So, this issue of Falastine and their "freedom fight" where so many Christians were and are also supporting this freedom movement must be seen in two very different perspectives.

1)In the perspective of Arab Nationalism, this fight is not the fight of islam or "Holy War" if it is fought in the name of Nationalism because islam has discouraged nationalism and Allah(S.W.T) says that although Allah has created you in different castes and in different regions but this is solely for the purpose of your identity and Allah (S.W.T) has choosen "Islam" as a religion for all of you. The consequences of Arab Nationalism can be seen in Arab Israel war of 1948, 1956 and 1967 where Israeli AirForce attacked and killed so many innocent muslims with the help of Non arab so called muslim countries like "Iran" and "Turkey" where Iran was providing the fuel support to Israel and Turkey was the launching pad and ammunition store of Israel, in 1973 war of Israel with Arab countries when Israel was very near to lose that war, Shah-e-Iran provided Israel M-48 Tanks with F-4 Fantium Avionics system, in return of Iran's support the Israel has supported Iran in the war of Iran with Iraq this was another "NA-SOOR" of Nationalism.

2)In the Perspective Of Islamic Ideology, this fight is a true fight of Islamic prosperity and this "Holy war(Jehad)" is different from Nationalism in a way that this is for islamic war not Arab national war and Hammas the group of Mujahedeen is the only group doing jehad at Falasteen.

You have heard the name of your beloved President of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) "Mehmood Abbas" he belongs to "Behai Firqa" the founder of this Behai firqa was Beha-Ullah Irani who believes himself to be a god Naozubillah and this is the reason Mehmood abbas is against Muslims Freedom fight.

accountingunlimited · 05-16-2008, 08:14 AM

Hello Amir
you mentioned a sect at the end of your post, out of curiosity i searched for that and found that its not a sect of Islam but a different religion at all and its followers worship God not a human being as mentioned by you. I did not get enough chance to look into details however a quick overview which I got is totally different from your post. Maybe I have looked into some other thing. Following is the official website
http//www.bahai.org
Let me know if I am wrong.
Many Thanks
Kind Regards

kamranACA · 05-16-2008, 05:24 PM

Dears,

Whilst the theme of Bahai's religion was to get the humans closer/united being the "fruits of same tree" and to present an idea which was not so concisely deduced from earlier concepts still his basic principles had been materially against the basics of our belief.

He probably does not accepts the supermacy of Prophet P.B.U.H over all prophets (A.S.) and categorize all messengers of God in same line. Rather, he does not at all pay attention to this belief which is the root of Islam.

Further, he calls his-ownself as "Prophet" Naoozbillah and calls his religion a new religion instead of a Firqa of Islam.

His basic teachings are as under

QUOTE

There is one God whose successive revelations of His will to humanity have been the chief civilizing force in history. The agents of this process have been the Divine Messengers whom people have seen chiefly as the founders of separate religious systems but whose common purpose has been to bring the human race to spiritual and moral maturity.

Humanity is now coming of age. It is this that makes possible the unification of the human family and the building of a peaceful, global society. Among the principles which the BahÃ¡'Ã Faith promotes as vital to the achievement of this goal are

-the abandonment of all forms of prejudice
-assurance to women of full equality of opportunity with men
-recognition of the unity and relativity of religious truth
-the elimination of extremes of poverty and wealth
-the realization of universal education
-the responsibility of each person to independently search for truth
-the establishment of a global commonwealth of nations
-recognition that true religion is in harmony with reason and the pursuit of scientific knowledge

UNQUOTE

The link of above is

http//info.bahai.org/bahaullah-basic-teachings.html

For knowing what he calls and assumes his-self one can read the following link

http//info.bahai.org/article-1-3-2-1.html

I think the above can give some insight to what he believes.

Of course I personally don't find him a muslim. Every truth is known only to God.

Regards,

KAMRAN.

Sarfaraz · 05-18-2008, 10:46 AM

AOA

Dear Amir

jo baat ko samajhnay k liye aata hai ussay naseehat karain

apna sir na khapain

this is with reference to surah abasa ....

Muhammad Amir · 05-18-2008, 09:24 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dear Amir

jo baat ko samajhnay k liye aata hai ussay naseehat karain

apna sir na khapain<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Dear sarfaraz, i was practising the same approach but some times it becomes necessary to defend.

For A/C Unlimited,

Behai Firqa is a non-muslim group of course but they still say themselves as muslims like Qiadiyanies do, so we have to beware of these groups.

I have read in a report written by Daily Ummat from karachi some 3 or 4 years ago that Beha-ullah believes himself to be a god Naozubillah i may be missing the exact wordings of that report however you can't believe in these firqas after seeing the information placed on their web links because these all religions are very dynamic like for example if you have read some books of Mirza Ghulam Qadyani some amazing things will reveal to you becase in some of his writings he believes himself to be Imam Mehdi, some times as Masieh, some times as Last prophet(Naozubillah) and even some times as god(Naozubillah).

So they do not stick on one belief because they all are KAAZIBEENS, only Islam is the true religion.

Regards,

Muhammad Amir

accountingunlimited · 05-19-2008, 08:34 AM

Dear Kamran ACA and Amir
Thank you very much for your contribution.
Many Thanks
Kind Regards

kamranACA · 06-20-2008, 06:47 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sarfaraz
 AOA

Dear Amir

jo baat ko samajhnay k liye aata hai ussay naseehat karain

apna sir na khapain

this is with reference to surah abasa ....
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Dears,

It's very nice if we restrict our debates only upto the exchange of ideas instead of showing an attitude to totally mend the ways of others which don't co-incide our frame of thought. Still, in some issues sarr khapana partaa hai.

Have any of you guys read the News Alert at all major media channels that USA government has decided to freez the assets of certain persons and warned its citizens not to enter into business ventures with such people?

This news has extreme of importance with reference to whatever so far we have discussed here in this thread. I look forward to have comments from the fellow members of this forum.

I don't exactly remember the names of all those four or five persons but in brief I can tell you that among those, top of the list was Hafiz Muhammad Saeed (head of Jamat-ud-dawa and Laskar-e-Tayyaba). Others were also the prominant figures of this Jehadi group.

I just fail to understand why the people who are so against the USA have their assets and business connection in USA. And if we claim they don't have any asset or business connection whatsoever in USA, why USA govt has taken such step to announce frezing of assets and restrictions on doing business with americans.

It's just amazing and alarming.

Regards,

KAMRAN.

Pracs · 06-22-2008, 05:46 AM

Perhaps, Amir can enlighten us with their side of the story ??

Muhammad Amir · 06-22-2008, 07:37 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">This news has extreme of importance with reference to whatever so far we have discussed here in this thread. I look forward to have comments from the fellow members of this forum.

I don't exactly remember the names of all those four or five persons but in brief I can tell you that among those, top of the list was Hafiz Muhammad Saeed (head of Jamat-ud-dawa and Laskar-e-Tayyaba). Others were also the prominant figures of this Jehadi group.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I haven't read this news can you tell me about the newspaper in which this news has been published.

Do you mean that Mujahedeen(of whatever group) are working in the favour of America. Fie upon you if you think in this way. Let me clear the opinion of all Mujahedeen(of whatever group), their friendship and their enemity is just in the way of Allah(S.W.T) they kill and fight in the way of Allah. We have no fight with American people(Common men) we are fighting against american strategic offence and we are just defending the offence of Bust(Chairman of all Infidals) and Co. so, business with common american people is not prohibited under Shariat however one should refrain himself from business ventures and partnerships with Infidals and Infidal state(Darul Kufar).

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Perhaps, Amir can enlighten us with their side of the story ??<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Perhaps, this is a very good way to once again indulge me in an unending debate.

All of you are against my thoughts because as per your opinion my thoughts are impracticable. However, i have my belief and faith in Allah(S.W.T) that one day we Muslims will rule the whole world Insha Allah. We Taliban will bring the Khilafat to the whole world. We will kill each and every Yahoodi and we Taliban will Talibanised the whole world Insha Allah.

Dedicated to Taliban and to all Mujahedeen and to Shuhada(Rehamatullah-e-Allih) and to Jehadi Movements and to current "NUSRAT OPERATOIN" Of Taliban against NATO and AMRECA.

-Ay Shaheedon Tumhara Hee Ahsaan Hay Aaj Hum Sar Uthanay Kay Qabil Hoay
-Zulm Sehtay Rahay Hain Baree Der Tak Aaj Badla Chukanay Kay Qabil Hoay

kamranACA · 06-23-2008, 04:35 PM

Dears,

The source of news was the NEWS ALRET on Geo, Express and Aaj some 15 to 20 days back. Because of some personal pre-occupations and some issues with forum operation I could not come up exactly on the day this news alert was on aired.

Now, if some man like Amir has not seen such news he can confirm it from news channels and can get detail of such news. I, now a days, read only Business Recorder in published news papers so don't know whether or not some news paper has published this news. However, I will see Dawn from my office and will come back if it had been published which I am sure would be a case.

As far as saying that these Taliban or any of their group companion is working for USA, is not a big thing to be treated as a possibility. We all know that Usama bin Laden and all big names of Afghan Jehad had been working for USA life long. They had been getting personal benefits and big amounts as reward. That is the basic reason for such people to have their bank accounts and other assets in countries like USA. That's why if we go into the history we don't see such impulsive / massive Jehad by such jehadies in Bosnia and other parts of the world where USA was not backing up.

This had been happening all the way and we can see its possibilities if we through a look all around in the recent history. Saddam Hussain was also made a similar hero by the people like Amir. So if he curses me due to showing some un-anticipated pictures then it's totally understandable. I don't blame him for it becoz his brain cannot go beyond the limits imposed by his school of thought.

Now as far as dealing with Americans and jews is concerned, yes, we know it's not prohibited. However, having bank accounts, funds and assets in USA by the persons like Hafiz Muhammad Saeed and other cream of Jamat-ud-dawa / Lashkar-e-Tayyuba and business connections at USA appears to quite a strange thing when we look at the education and messages such people convey to their followers. This becomes weird more specially when we see the conceptualization such Jehadies have given to the public. I mean has the world ended for them that they went doing business and placing funds at the home of the biggest enemy (they call) of Islam.

Amir in above post said that Jehadies are not the enemies of common Americans. And at the same time in the same post he says that he and his types (talibaan) will kill EACH AND EVERY YAHOODI. He don't differentiate among various categories of Yahoodies, as he in first place mentioned, they do. Like ever, again he has collusion in his own thoughts. This is just similar to all Talibanized people. These people in fact are not clear on what they want to do.

The poetry of Amir is always nice. It's great to see that we are now QAABIL to take the avenge. Yes, I will not try to go into details of how we can take such avenge and what has so far made us its QAABIL. However, certainly the rockey area, caves and coward suicidal attacks have not done so.

Regards,

KAMRAN.

Muhammad Amir · 06-23-2008, 08:41 PM

I do not want to talk with astrayed people like you(It is something like Bhens kay agay been bajana). So, i and you both wait for the Youm-ul-Akhirah and see what happens there.

As far as killing of Yahoodies is concerned i must say that read the Quran and Sunnah and then talk to me for this matter. Your problem is that you have no knowledge of Islam and you talk very loudly about the things that can't come in you mind.

I hope you do not want to understand these things. So. keep making a mess with your akhirat and good luck.

MIANN JEE, NOUSHTA-E-DEWAR PARH LOO ABB LOGON MAY ISLAM KI BEEDARI SHURU HO GAI HAY, AB APP LOGON KO GUMRAH NAHI KAR SAKTAY ,HAMARAY BUZURG FARMATAY HANN KAY HUM NAY AJJ SAY PEHLAY ITNI BARE TADAAD MAY NOUJAWWANOON KO MASAJID MAY NAHI DEKHA, AUR TALIBAN SIRF SUBA-E-SARHAD OR AFGHANISTAN TAK MEHDOOD NAHI HANN YEH KARACHI SAY LAY KAR WAZIRISTAN TAK HANN IN MAY PAKISTAN KAY BARAY NAMWAR DOCTORS AUR SURGON BHE HANN AUR AALAA TALEEM YAFTA ENGINEERS BHE, TALIBAN SIRF DARHE AUR PAGREE KA NAME NAHI HAY BALKAY YEH NAME HAY IK ISLAMI JAZBAY KA TU PAKISTAN HAR BACHA TALIB HE HAY.

kamranACA · 06-23-2008, 08:47 PM

Dear Amir,

Don't get outrageous. Islam does not allow to kill any one innocent. Here I focus on the word innocent to be seen in specific Islamic context. I know it's really hard to see it that way specially when you have your closed minded agenda. Anyways this was to show the collusion in your sayings. I was not declaring it right or wrong.

I shared a news which could turn the thoughts to a new direction. If you are not interested to look into it I am not harmed at all.

I just wanted to convey it.

Regards,

KAMRAN.

Muhammad Amir · 06-23-2008, 08:52 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Don't get outrageous. Islam does not allow to kill any one innocent<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yes Islam doesn't allow to kill innocents but are those Yahoodies innocent if yes then......................

kamranACA · 06-24-2008, 04:29 PM

Dear Amir,

Your posts always make me to smile. Specially this NOUSHTA-E-DEWAR sort of stuff.

I am also quite surprized to know that in 1400+ years the youth of this era (as reported by your elders) is first time getting attracted to Islam and prayers. Is not it a strange declaration? Anyway! people could have different perceptions. I don't object. Every one feels his belief is the best and now he is going to strike of all the evils in no time, and this very thought has been carrying on in the minds for the centuries. There is no fault at your part. However, this all is amazing interpretation from you.

I dont object on your claim of existence or non-existence of highly educated persons in the group of Taaliban. Whatever good expertise or knowledge one possess, if applied in destruction, remains totally non beneficial. Further, you can also find such extremely qualified persons in Lahories, Qadiyaanies/Ahmadies, Bahaaies and Anjuman Sarfroshaan-e-Islam (followers of Riaz Ahmad Gohar Shahi) etc to which we typically declare what not and what not. So, this is no argument to prove Talibaan civilized. Don't make such futile efforts. Whatever destructive is done by whoever is destructive, inhuman and illiterate. This is a universal truth and bears no effect if some one educated in also the part of it.

As far as you talk about innocense of jews, yes, there could be so many innocents in them as well. I have no doubt over it. For example infants and kids of every nation are innocents. Do you carry doubt over it. I wonder where does your logic and Islam go when you talk on such issues irrationally. (Remember you said you want to kill each and every jew). All those who don't directly carry enemity with us are innocents and you can find such persons as well in jews. Now the opposition on religious grounds is not to be considered enemity if it is not destructive. One can disgaree totally with other's belief. Quran allows it. If Quran allows it then who are you and who am i to Naoozbillah declare anything otherwise.

Further to it, we must follow USSWA-E-HASNA to remain within rational limits. Did the greatest Prophet of all times (PBUH) order to kill any mushrik, christian, saabi or JEW after FATAH MAKKAH. Yes prophet PBUH told us that Jews will never be loyal to us and we should not hope friendship with them. This is totally different thing and does not make us to kill EACH AND EVERY JEW. Prophet PBUH did not order to kill any one (even those who were clear opponents) after getting into power at Makkah. I am only talking about innocents who could not be killed at all, while our religion also guides us to forgive the ZAALIMs when they become dependnet upon us (although avenge from such persons is also allowed). Since they are not dependent upon us, I only talk about innocents.

Now if you cannot differentiate between scoundrals and innocents, what can I do for you. I so many times talk about closed mindedness and this becomes evident from every post.

Now I will try to read what your NOUSHTA-E-DEWAR will suggest.

Regards,

KAMRAN.