11-26-2007, 06:06 PM
Dears,
The words written by Javed about Saudi Arabia are bit harsh as I always say that we should not declare any one non-muslims at our own accord. Islam does not permit us to do so. If we will do this would be the reciprocal wrong act.
However, I have met almost more than ten persons who have lived at Saudi Arabia for reasonable time and who all give similar to Mr. Javed's opinion about the rules, law enforcement, reasonability and biases of Saudies for non-saudies. Recently some issue got popularity in news papers (at Punjab) where some family brutally treated by Arabs came back to Pakistan and gave their interviews to newspapers etc.
This has nothing to do with Islam as such becoz this is behaviour of a nation. Yes, of course Saudi Arab might be doing so much very good as they are managing big events like Hajj for muslims very effectively and always have been very much responsible for it. I dont talk about Hajj but can anybody ensure such security, safety and system, if we wish to have a get together of such a huge qunatum at Pakistan, Iran or India? We should give them credit. Good should be appreciated and bad should be criticized.
As far s their general nature is concerned, Arabs have ever been alike. Islam has not so much changed their nature. This (and Iraqies) are the same nation which caused all the bad fame to Islam in the earlier days. I am not hiting faith of any one. This is just to think about what they have done and what they do. There all funds are with christians and jewish banks. They are from among the closes friends of USA at the moment. They have done similar to Musharraf acts when they handed over their land to USA against Iraq. Kuffaar did the worst things on the land of Arab due to these saudies. So much is bad is likely to be declared bad.
Socially speaking, it is a reality that Saudi Arabians dont like ajmies. They dont lose their biases (what I have heard) and keep on hating others with reference to color, caste, location and origination. Of course they are not the big example of true muslims at the level of masses. Some people would certainly be very good. And dont much talk about justice at Saudi Arab please. Ask about this justice from some one who has evidenced it. These are not just some instances, as you Sarfraz and Aamir declare it as remarks on Javed's post.
I think to know in detail and with further accuracy, we should look up to those who have lived at Saudi Arabia and not those who have just visited it. Mr. Shoaib (at this forum) is one of such person. I think we should seek some details from him as well.
However, on hearing so much about Saudi Arbia, I have made a firm opinion that one should visit Saudi Arabia for Umrah or Hajj purpose or for religious study tours but not for permanent stays or job etc.
Lets see what the comments come from those who really have lived at Saudi Arabia.
Regards,
Kamran.
The words written by Javed about Saudi Arabia are bit harsh as I always say that we should not declare any one non-muslims at our own accord. Islam does not permit us to do so. If we will do this would be the reciprocal wrong act.
However, I have met almost more than ten persons who have lived at Saudi Arabia for reasonable time and who all give similar to Mr. Javed's opinion about the rules, law enforcement, reasonability and biases of Saudies for non-saudies. Recently some issue got popularity in news papers (at Punjab) where some family brutally treated by Arabs came back to Pakistan and gave their interviews to newspapers etc.
This has nothing to do with Islam as such becoz this is behaviour of a nation. Yes, of course Saudi Arab might be doing so much very good as they are managing big events like Hajj for muslims very effectively and always have been very much responsible for it. I dont talk about Hajj but can anybody ensure such security, safety and system, if we wish to have a get together of such a huge qunatum at Pakistan, Iran or India? We should give them credit. Good should be appreciated and bad should be criticized.
As far s their general nature is concerned, Arabs have ever been alike. Islam has not so much changed their nature. This (and Iraqies) are the same nation which caused all the bad fame to Islam in the earlier days. I am not hiting faith of any one. This is just to think about what they have done and what they do. There all funds are with christians and jewish banks. They are from among the closes friends of USA at the moment. They have done similar to Musharraf acts when they handed over their land to USA against Iraq. Kuffaar did the worst things on the land of Arab due to these saudies. So much is bad is likely to be declared bad.
Socially speaking, it is a reality that Saudi Arabians dont like ajmies. They dont lose their biases (what I have heard) and keep on hating others with reference to color, caste, location and origination. Of course they are not the big example of true muslims at the level of masses. Some people would certainly be very good. And dont much talk about justice at Saudi Arab please. Ask about this justice from some one who has evidenced it. These are not just some instances, as you Sarfraz and Aamir declare it as remarks on Javed's post.
I think to know in detail and with further accuracy, we should look up to those who have lived at Saudi Arabia and not those who have just visited it. Mr. Shoaib (at this forum) is one of such person. I think we should seek some details from him as well.
However, on hearing so much about Saudi Arbia, I have made a firm opinion that one should visit Saudi Arabia for Umrah or Hajj purpose or for religious study tours but not for permanent stays or job etc.
Lets see what the comments come from those who really have lived at Saudi Arabia.
Regards,
Kamran.
