Proud to be a Pakistani

Pracs · 06-08-2005, 12:23 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ehson

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Which country of the 50 plus muslim countries would you say is
relatively more of an Islamic Government ? Please bear in mind that the society is usually a good reflection of how an Islamic state and its benefits have seeped into fabric of society.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">If you ask my personal viewpoint. There is not single country in this world that can actually claim to be an Islamic state. You see being an Islamic state just becuase the majority of the population is Muslims is not a criteria to judge. We must judge these claims with the Quran and Sunnah. And have you seen a single country which is in allignment to that.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 And do you think that implementing the Caliphate would be a step by step thing. What ehson says would take more time, more time than one would have imagined.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">It is all the mater of conviction. When everyone is convinced, revolution would be triggered (as it has been happenin from the begining of the man kind) which would then reap the result. Now the porblem for the time being is that we are not convinced. And if we are, we think since it is difficult to achieve we plan not to do anything for it. So let us work in our individual capacity and pray to Allah(swt) for it.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 I for one believe that the ''Islamic Ummah'' concept is dead, I think the only actual Caliphate was during the time of the ''Khulfahae- Rashedeen'', thereon for the next thousand years were as golden only because of the initial system in place (which began to wither ofcourse). The Ottoman Caliphate (read sultanate) was a sorry sort of affairs, I can name a dozen Muslim countries today that are better Islamic Governments than the Mehmuds in Istanbul. Nor do I have any respect for the Monarchs of the Gulf and West Africa, or the socialist dictators, or military dictators, or for that matter most self actualising leaders in the Muslim world.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">You see as mentioned earlier if an individual didnt rule in the pure islamic way and claimed to be a Muslim that is not a fault of Islam. And I agree that the 'ummah' concept is almost dead. But brought it to this stage? and who can bring it back to life?

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 The challenge for Muslims is to adhere to the fixed principles of Islam regardless of time or situations.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">And if you do that people would call you "fundamentalist" as if it is s'thing wrong/ill legar or pesimistic approach to the modren world.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Democracy is often confused with the style of elections....<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">True that is

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I think we agree on quite a many issues here ehson. But all this is more on the theoratical side, say a good catch for an academic discussion. We have all asked questions if it's ever going to be possible.

I think the only possibility is a to fashion the OIC on the lines of the EU, that is the best chance we may ever have to have an Islamic state.

Coming to Pakistan, I think the Objectives Resolution ensures that any constitution drawn in its light (including the present one) will be in light with the Islamic spirit. What we need is democracy in its right manifestation (with this I do not mean the General's govt.) free of the stake holder groups and then strong hold, which are the Army, the bureaucracy and the landlords. An effective Judicial system paired with an effective executive. Having done that, I think we can start to begin the Journey towards an Islamic state. The Utopia,. at this point of time.

There is no practicality to go about electing a Khalifa, unless we have a bloody revolution like the Iranians and an institutionalised clergy (like the Shias have). This is somethng just not possible for us, because of a large number of Muslim sects within the Sunnis and the Shias to just start with. No to mention all the different ethinicities.

Yeah, and a little history lesson, the Indus land (or the present day Pakistan) has never had a revolution, revolt or an uprising against who so ever was incharge, ever. So don't even think about that option. Its just not in us.!