Revision of ACCA exemption ....... Right OR Wrong?

[kamranACA]

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<br />KAMRAN, i read your sarcastic behaviour towards ACCA students , i dont knw how you find such an ample amount of time to think and write these stories any how it was a master peice, ICAP should recognized you as there ambasador and sent you all over the world so that it might be recognized with your baseless and useless justifcation and stories which you will be telling to accounting bodied of different countires ... you might have reached some where in your careear but that dosent mean you start acting joker !!!

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It would be better if you quote those so-called instances of sarcastic behaviour instead of getting personalized since I am not even aware what sort of commodity you are. Here things are being discussed to clarify the "questions" on this and some other threads and for doing so logic and facts have been mentioned. If you have a better logic come up with it and don't post rubbish things. We should discuss and debate the issues on logical grounds, if you can understand.

My time is my very much own property and I wonder why you are bothered with its investment? May I know the source of your pain?

Further, advise for you is to avoid personal attacks and indecent language since it is easier for anyone to do. I hope you would understand although everyone does not understand precise advices.

Let's see your case how you take it.

[kamranACA]

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<br />@Kamran
First of all, I have no idea how can someone even find this much time for writing something like this.

You seriously lack Professional behavior regarding other professional bodies, especially ACCA.

I mean seriously, what is wrong with you?
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I don't borrow time from you my son, so let me mind my own business since it has nothing to do with you. Who knows if I am the owner or partner of the owners of this forum and I have a basic interest to keep the blog activity alive to get more and more e-hits to this website finding us more and more advertisement revenues. I am not saying that I am the owner, but you know there are so many possibilities in the world. So, enlarge the vision of your mind by using a better lense if it is not God gifted to you. )

Owing to your idiotic personalized allegations, I have somewhere made an analysis of some of your claims to show your face to the members. I guess, such posts have been deleted by Admin. However, I beleive there are few members who must be remembering that.

BTW, can you let me have an insight as to the examples of my serious lack of professionalism about other professional bodies first of all, "specially for other than ACCA" and generally for ACCA??? Here, I mentioned it other way round, since I know you mentioned of other professional bodies only to make your point. I never disgrace any professional body by mentioning its name; yes, if you draw inferences that something is/was mentioned for a specific body, it is definitely your own conclusion. Let me count on you and I know beforehand that you are a failure.

So my dear, pls try to understand what forums are meant for and how you have to debate on any issue with arguments and not by yelling. Come-up with any thing concrete on any subject, discuss it with me and I guaranteee you, I would make you to re-think on the issue though I may not change your mind.

This very thread was started in 2003; read it from very first post to the end, and then assess with a fair and open mind what people have experienced and what people say. If you don't have the ability to understand something, try to base your conclusions on at least what people at large have experienced.

I have fullest regard for all professional bodies as far as their professional contribution is concerned in any country, yet I cannot change the market facts and ground realities and I need not to mention anything to derive a public opinion. Go down a street in any residential block and explore what people have been left with after showing undue dreams by the dream merchants and squeezing out their hard earned money. Dream merchants have ever been selling such illusions for making up their own revenues and they are pretty much successful in their agendas. Reasons for such a success can be gathered merely if you read this whole thread!

I hope you would understand nothing, because had you been capacitated to do so, you might have not yelled like what you did in above post.

Regards,

[wrathofheaven1]

Well I don't have that much time to analyze an insane person and his useless arguments and conclusions.

There have been members with many posts who did try to reasonably explain something concrete. Please search the forums about that, since I don't have that much time unlike you.

All you have done is degraded ACCA in almost every post, even in the ones which were not even about ACCAs, aided by a stupid little disclaimer that "don't take this the wrong way"

And as for my understanding and conclusion, you are just one of those sadistic people who believe that nothing is right in this world and want others to believe the same. I don't know the history of who you are but that is just what me and most of the members actually think after reading your posts.

Regards,

[kamranACA]

Your posts speak out the reasons of your failure in life's dreamed career.

If you say, you did not dream something which I refer, I would be pleased to prove it until you don't edit or delete your previous posts showing your nostalgia. Learn something from life and your unsuccessful quests; and try to accept the bitter truths, otherwise you would not even be remembered by the time.

I have been trying to avoid idiots, so let me not fall into the disgrace which is specific for the psychos like you.

Regards,

[alihassan1414]

i think we should behave....if we are really professionals.........we should not bother.........because.......icap....is pakistani body...and obviously he will not allow any other foreign body.....to push him on the side line...........think with different mind.....eg;(their r approx 1000 new affiliates every year....and more than 1500 students passing cat each year you can imagine the future supply of ACCAs in pakistan.....and can also imagine the marginal value of each new ACCA affiliate.......reduction in exemption to ACCA students by icap will decrease the number of enrollment in ACCA....WITH SOME %age..........I agree KAMRAN bhai used lit bit discouraging statements ......but budy he is one of most senior accountant......we should behave........if we r professionals .........
REGARDS,

[usmansss]

@ Kamran ... although i dont have much time as you have but i can say that people like you are afraid of realities around them. I agree with the other reply that you are just one of those sadistic people who believe that nothing is right in this world and want others to believe the same.

Can you tell other people specially student about your acvheiment in your career rather than telling them false stories which you think in your free time. While the professional accounting qualification is important it is, of course, only one factor. Employability is based on having good communication skills, a track record of achievements and relevant experience


People who have a high degree of employability (age, ability, track record, specialist skills in demand and good interpersonal and communication skills) are the least likely to need to worry about obtaining a local qualification. Members who struggle to obtain suitable employment may do so for reasons not related to the qualification. Obtaining a national qualification will not be a “magic bullet” to solve the reasons for the problem.

ACCA has identical statutory recognition with the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales, Scotland and Ireland.

ACCA is the fastest growing body because it has a reputation for high standards. In emerging economies such as China, Russia and Eastern Europe, ACCA attracts the highest students and is used by the “Big 4” accounting bodies as the qualification to train these talented people. ACCA’s large membership in Singapore, Malaysia and Hong Kong is derived from its high standards.

Unlike many others there are no exemptions from the ACCA Professional Stage examinations which are globally uniform and centrally marked. The demanding standards set and the applied skills acquired help to produce accountants employers can feel confident to employ.


I wonder why people have made them self authorities to comments on different profession and organization... regarding subject matter i think 95% of ACCA member never applied for ICAP exemption in other word we simply don’t need it we can have your DADDY’s qualification ICAEW after 5 years of experience without giving single paper ! Apart from Master degree status awarded by HEC.


ACCA members are justifiably proud of having qualified and being members of the world’s fastest growing and most global professional accountancy body. ACCA has members in 170 countries and active branches in over 70 countries. In many countries, ACCA is well known to employers and is often their preferred choice qualification in UAE and Middel East.

I need to tell all the readers that you should not give attention to such people and student should concentrate on there studies .. i know dozen of ICAP student who had left ICAP and studued toward ACCA and are sitting on the big positions! These people study from our text books and study our past papers!!! There examiners copy and paste our exams question with only a difference in names!

I know many qualified CA who start there jobs for 40k rs and Max 50k in Pakistan recently ... fresh CA are getting not more then 40 to 50k !

[kamranACA]

Dear Student,

What is reality, will very soon get opened to you. You search the posts and you will find that it has already been unfolded for many of your likes. So, better is to wait and see and just don't worry too much for the illusions which poor people like me create.

Regarding the claims which you want to prevail upon, please be informed that you are not the first to make them. One from your breed gave a prophecy here (around 3 years back) that you are going to takeover everything within 2 years. Let's see what comes on the surface after a couple of sets of other such 2 years.

However, mind it, nothing of yelling can refrain me from letting the people know the facts when someone puts a query.

Regards,

[usmansss]

@ Kamran Listen Neither i am giving any prophecy nor i am trying to prove any thing ! Reality speaks for it self! And btw who the hell are you??? Are you some Business Tycoon or Bill Gates or some relative or share holder of Steve Job! Can you confirm me your standing which allows you to talk so high ! Passing merely ICAP examination, i think give you an idea that your are an absolute authority lollz ļ
Kher Try to concentrate on giving advices how to pass ICAP that will be quiet beneficial and make best out of your free time lollz Rather then defending your ICAP prestige. I advice you to start a post in which you can teach 99 ways to pass the papers and tell the student how to pass ICAP exams in few attempts because i know 1000 of student who are unable to clear the exams even after dozen of attempts and decade of hard work ! It prove 2 things either ICAP is full of not capable people or there is some problem in the system it self! !
Lastly am not starting any useless war to defend either my qualification neither i got enough time. In the past i don¡¦t know what happen but this time keep that in mind am not a student but a strong professional who is in the market for last 10 years and had a taste of both world. I know exactly your breed !
If you ever get an opportunity which i doubt to work in international markets you will see where we stand!!

[kamranACA]

You would certainly be finding very soon what this “hell” is telling you. Mark my words somewhere for the time to come. I would love to bear with you till then.

Can you please tell me, without googling, who was Steve Jobs in fact except for his connectivity with APPLE which reached to your tiny box through media? Do you even know his exact qualification or back ground? What do you know about Bill Gates, Can you explain? So, don’t talk bigger than your capacity since you are still a child. And yes, I know what exactly I have to do since I may be at your father’s level; a baby like you is by no means invited to advise me. If you learnt this attitude from your domestic environment then certainly you have undergone a very indecent upbringing; so, please don’t reflect your inside out at this forum.

You are extremely childish and have to learn the facts which you cannot do without going through an entire learning phase which definitely is very hard for your likes. Time is there to tell you what is what, I can only express my grief for the days to come in your life. (Here, I don’t connect it with any qualification you are pursuing).

One advice, please use decent and sane language otherwise you should know that a similar, rather, heavier response can come. For the reason of a wide gap, I don’t much want to liaise with you on similar basis, therefore, I am not equally responding to your cheaper and quite agricultural attitude, but this must not be taken incorrectly.

For your clarity, let me mention that the ones who have opted ACCA and are confident of their decision, and do not come up with hue and cry against others for the results falling short of their expectations, are always appreciated. So be one of them in your career and show the character, if it is there. I hope you would not be crying for ICAP sooner or later.

As far as ICAP students are concerned, their struggle and temporary failure at certain times is exactly what all other quality opportunities in the world entail. In prime contests, there can never be a case that all competitors get succeeded. If this is a rule somewhere, then the contest cannot be premier by any means. I don’t have much time to make you to understand this. However, your acceptance that even the ultimate failures get through your ACCA, is hilarious.

Regards,

[kamranACA]

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<br />@ Kamran Listen Neither i am giving any prophecy nor i am trying to prove any thing ! Reality speaks for it self! And btw who the hell are you??? Are you some Business Tycoon or Bill Gates or some relative or share holder of Steve Job! Can you confirm me your standing which allows you to talk so high ! Passing merely ICAP examination, i think give you an idea that your are an absolute authority lollz ļ
Kher Try to concentrate on giving advices how to pass ICAP that will be quiet beneficial and make best out of your free time lollz Rather then defending your ICAP prestige. I advice you to start a post in which you can teach 99 ways to pass the papers and tell the student how to pass ICAP exams in few attempts because i know 1000 of student who are unable to clear the exams even after dozen of attempts and decade of hard work ! It prove 2 things either ICAP is full of not capable people or there is some problem in the system it self! !
Lastly am not starting any useless war to defend either my qualification neither i got enough time. In the past i don¡¦t know what happen but this time keep that in mind am not a student but a strong professional who is in the market for last 10 years and had a taste of both world. I know exactly your breed !
If you ever get an opportunity which i doubt to work in international markets you will see where we stand!!

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[kamranACA]

Since I am well aware of professionals like you, the above post has been preserved for future reference.

[usmansss]

Kamran ! i don’t want to be personal .... its just because you in your every single post critics ACCA push me to react like that.


I wonder why ICAP students and members are so hypocrite ! Can you deny this fact that 80% of ICAP student refer to ACCA study material and more than 50% of exam question are based on ACCA past papers!

Why is this double standard ! if ACCA is an inferior degree why it is given a statutory recognition in UK and it as equivalents as ICAEW !

Why in the beginning ICAP gave max exemption to ACCA till 2001 /2002. Today i think there will be hundreds of ICAP members who have passed there exam by taking exemption through ACCA at those time when you have to give only 3 papers to become ICAP member.

Why ICAP and its member and student are so much against ACCA , why you are not saying any thing to ICMA , CPA Pakistan , M.COM , MBAs and many other profession ! what you are afraid off ! why is always ACCA vs CA , not CA vs M.com , MBA and may others !

I need to tell that am not a student neither am getting any qualification ... Alhamdullilha ! am more than satisfied with ACCA I worked with some founding and pioneer members of ICAP like Hussian Chudary who was uncle of one of my friend , Nafees Sab founding member here in Dubai and Mr Sajjad Haider founding partner of the firm in UAE. People like them never disgrace ACCA or any other profession they neither show any professional discrimination they are truly professional people who always appreciate hard work , efforts and attitdes.

I got opportunity to work for Big4 in UAE for some time ! here there are many ICAP members who are my friends .. most of them advice there younger ones to opt ACCA rather than ICAP and there is nothing like ACCA VS CA war games ,or useless 1000 of justifications against each other ! More intresting you will always find such things in Paksitani blogs or discussion forms where people like Kamran are in plenty of number lolz

I really feel ashamed ! What we are portraying to young students !

Regarding the job markets i need to tell all readers and specially student that it all about one's Qadar/ Muqadar ....

Most of ACA and ACCA members work for big businessman or organizations who’s founders were neither ICAP member Nor ACCA member ! And yes although i don’t know much about Steve job or Bill gate but all i know is that there were neither ICAP members nor ACCA members P ....

Let me put it in this way to understand .... I am ACCA member i might be earning more than many ICAP members same goes for ICAP Members but both of us might be earning some fractions of what many un educated un qulaifed , non professional people are earning around us ! so its not about ACCA , CA , ICAEW , MBA or what ever ! its all depend upon what you are capable off and what is your destiny !

I hope readers got my point ! rest i don’t want to convince Mr Kamran & can only say for him ... i am 110% sure he will again come up with some brillant justification and explanation trying to prove his day 1 motto “ how to disgrace ACCA” .. which he is quiet good at but what is this all about !

Common who is childish and who is what can be easily seen and understood by a un bias reader.

Good luck to All ICAP/ACCA students and Affiliates
Cheers