SECP Vs. Chartered Accountants.

smraza · 09-09-2003, 05:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I hope this was not your last posting. For what i like about you is the persistency of efforts and frankness of opinions which i don't find very common among our fellow citizens<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Thanx for the comments pervez, and obviously it will not be my lasting posting if there is any continued discussion,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>My dear just becuase an auditor has qualified a report does not suggest that any illegal activity has taken place. The very fact that the auditor deemed it fit to remain associated with the co and issue an audit report(although qualified) suggests that auditor is atleast not aware of any illegal activity. If he was aware of an illegal activity, he should immediate withdraw from the assignment and if deemed appropriate should notify relevant authories (including SECP).
So think hard and tell me how SECP can take an action on the basis of a qualified audit report. Are you telling me that a qualified audit report suggests that an illegal activity has taken place in the co? I certainly hope not. Becuause that will betray an utter lack of knowledge about qualifying an audit report.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Dear Pervez, will u define this "illegal activity" ? i hope u dont mean that illegal activitiy means the smuggling of heroin, trading of without licence arms and ammuninition, etc. etc. etc.
the violation of any law is supposed to be the illegal activity,
as far as i know, the auditor has to give an opinion on the true and fair view of the financial statements and some other matters as mentioned in the auditor's report, if he find any significant material item that will effect the truth and fairness of financial statements, he must report that matter in his report, (if i m not correct please correct me),
if an auditor qualifies the report, it means there was something material which effects the fairness of financial statements, or the management has utilized the funds of the shareholders of the company for some other purposes (not for business purpose) etc. etc. etc.

can you tell me please if the auditor was aware of all these situations, and he does not qualify his report, will he be charged for professional misconduct,
and if the matter comes to the knowledge of SECP he will call that auditor in the court, (this is what SECP is doing nowadays),

so think about it carefully, that, it was the matter of level, which brought the auditors into the court, and now if auditor has qualified his report, then what will be the effect of that qualification,
if no action is being taken against the company, then it will just simply means that the "purpose of qualification for the auditor is just to keep himself safe from SECP and regulatory authorities",<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

lets take an example, if auditors qualify his report that "proper books of accounts have not been maintained by the company"
as the companies are required by law to maintain proper books of accounts, but if it didnt do so, then it has committed an illegal activity, bcaz violation of law is supposed to be an illegal activity.

and my dear, can u quote me any audit report in which auditors have qualified their report on the matter which was permitted by the law, and other accounting pronouncements,
the auditor will qualify his report when the company has done something against law, it has not followed the law or relevant accounting standards, so dear if any company doesnt follow the rules and regulations which it is required to do, it is supposed be an illegal activity,

Regards

S M R

Edited by - smraza on Sep 09 2003 120633 PM

jbladeus · 09-09-2003, 08:31 PM

Hehehe.... Keep this going guys. I am beginning to enjoy this. Feels like a tennis match. Serve and volley ... serve and volley! <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Looks like that this match will go to the fifth set. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Arrrgh... it sure's gonna be mighty rough sailin' today ... mates!

smraza · 09-10-2003, 05:49 AM

Hey guybrush, doesnt it seems bholoo pehalwan's Akhara, look at the topic, "SECP Vs. Chartered Accountants",
doesnt it look like "Bholoo Pehalwan Vs. Goga Pehalwan". <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

S M R

Pervez · 09-10-2003, 12:00 PM

Hi Raza!
I think i am in a position to add some fundamental information about qualifying an audit report in your knowledge base.
First some housekeeping work. You asked me about the definition of "illegal activity". First of all believe me i have not invented this phrase and second this is a very common undisputed word. Every elementary student of commerce should know that illegal activity is activity that is either not allowed by law or is against the law. So your question was redundant (superfluous or in accountants' language unbillable - therefore a waste of time).
Now i would like you to refer to Audit Practice Manual of ICAP and go to chapter 6 Summary of some ISA and on page 343 you will find the exact situations where different type of opinions are expressed. I believe this is covered under Auditing Standard 13 relating to Audit Report.
Unfortunately, Raza, you are displaying a fundamental lack of understandting of this part of auditing fuction. You ask me to give you an example of a qualified report where activity is within the law. The example is scope limitation which the auditor does not consider matterial in expressing an opinion on fairness of F/S
This you can find on page 343 of Auditing Practice Manual of ICAP.
Example Auditor is prohibited from physical count of inventories at the year end date, this will be a qualified report where no law is broken. And the auditor will use "Except for" qualification.

Then you made a very childish remark and i quote
"lets take an example, if auditors qualify his report that "proper books of accounts have not been maintained by the company""
You must be seriously jocking!!! A qualified report with these words should belong to accountants' museum (if there is such a thing)

This part cannot be in an audit report which is qualified, but in an audit report which is expressing an adverse opinion. Two different animals with very different characteristics. I will love to know if an adverse opinion is ever expressed by an auditor in Pakistan!!!

Third you refer to directors using company funds for personal use rather than business use. Can you quote me the section of Comapnies Ordinance which prohibits directors from taking out money for their personal use. Thesr are called shareholders' loans. Ofcourse, such withdrawls have tax consequences for the directors (national interest or inclusion in income(if balance is outstanding for two consecutive balance sheets dates in North America, i don't know the exact implications in Pakistan). So if an auditor qualifies the report and state that funds were used by directors for personal use tell me which law is broken? Please quote the section of the law?

Now i throw the ace question your way. You know that SECP is a regulatory body and it operates within a mandate given by Federal laws. My question is are you aware of the mandate of SECP? If you are not i would request that you study that part of the law before we procceed further.

I am ready for the next round whenever you are. My akhara has long hours of business!!!!

For Guybrush! I appreciate you enjoying the debate but how about paying some dues and participating in it. As they say, the mind gets sharper the more you use it!!!

Take care fellows
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Edited by - Pervez on Sep 10 2003 071431 AM

smraza · 09-10-2003, 08:48 PM

<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Hey Pervez, you are not SECP, so SECP and Chartered Accountant are supposed to be in the Akhara <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>, you may be considered as Refereee <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
So back to the discussion, yes I agree that I donât have much knowledge on this topic, thatâs why I asked to correct me if am not,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> The example is scope limitation which the auditor does not consider matterial in expressing an opinion on fairness of F/S
This you can find on page 343 of Auditing Practice Manual of ICAP.
Example Auditor is prohibited from physical count of inventories at the year end date, this will be a qualified report where no law is broken. And the auditor will use "Except for" qualification.
Then you made a very childish remark and i quote
"lets take an example, if auditors qualify his report that "proper books of accounts have not been maintained by the company""
You must be seriously jocking!!! A qualified report with these words should belong to accountants' museum (if there is such a thing)
This part cannot be in an audit report which is qualified, but in an audit report which is expressing an adverse opinion.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I appreciate your criticism, â that is not qualification rather scope limitation or simply disclaimer,â I agree with you, but what I m surprised about this that I didnât mean to the situations where auditor have to put a qualification, disclaimer, matter of emphasis or whatever, I just distinguished the Audit Report into two, i.e. Qualified Audit Report, and Clean Audit Report, and the auditorâs responsibility thereon, and SECPâs role in both the above cases,
But u took the topic towards the Chapter 6 of Audit Practices Manual, (that is just explaining that which matter is inserted in audit report in different situations),
I m not debating on that what does the auditor do, if he faces the non cooperation from the management regarding stock take etc. etc. etc. the reason might being that I was unable to explain my point of view or u were unable to understand the same,
Please read my post at least two times please understand what I m trying to say, and I m sure that there will be no audit report which u referred as museum item, but I m surprised that I have just took the example just to distinguish the Clean report from a Qualified or unclean report. I can give the examples of qualified report in which SECP was supposed to take the action, I personally wrote to SECP regarding such qualification, and asked from SECP about its action, (being share holder of the company), brief explanation of the qualification is as follows, the auditor qualified the report, regarding the non availability of the shares held as investment, further no alternative evidence provided to them, Those shares were related to mutual fund, which the company (a brokerage house) who got its report qualified acting as âAsset Management Companyâ for that fund (as mentioned in notes to the accounts), and I hope u will be aware to the law that Asset Management Co. is required to hold at least 10% holding of the fund. I m still waiting for the response from the SECP. And I m 100% confident that this will continue with my whole life, <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> as SECP is not against the companies, it is just against us <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>. I can give the examples of qualified report in which SECP was supposed to take the action, I personally wrote to SECP regarding such qualification, and asked from SECP about its action, (being share holder of the company), brief explanation of the qualification is as follows, the auditor qualified the report, regarding the non availability of the shares held as investment, further no alternative evidence provided to them, Those shares were related to mutual fund, which the company (a brokerage house) who got its report qualified acting as âAsset Management Companyâ for that fund (as mentioned in notes to the accounts), and I hope u will be aware to the law that Asset Management Co. is required to hold at least 10% holding of the fund. I m still waiting for the response from the SECP. And I m 100% confident that this will continue with my whole life, <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> as SECP is not against the companies, it is just against us <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>if u want the name of the company that i ll email you.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Please quote the section of the law?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Please refer to section 195 of the Companies Ordinance, and please donât mention the exceptions in the law.

No offence intended take care, as I m always in a Student Mood, as I learn a lot due to these kind of discussions,
Regards

S M R

Edited by - smraza on Sep 10 2003 40236 PM

Pooooh · 09-11-2003, 07:40 AM

), i gone through all postigns of the topic
it seem interesting. but if look at the current discussion of smraza and pervez
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>you are displaying a fundamental lack of understandting of this part of auditing fuction
Then you made a very childish remark<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
sorry to say pervez you need to improve your understanding about the topic, and avoid direct attacking by using these kinds of statements.
i was laughing when u said quote the section in which directors of the companies are not autorised to use fund of the co.
A child of the CA field know about the section 195 of C.O. 1984you can enjoy the freedom the expression on this froum, but dont go aggressive. mr smraza nicely answered all the questions raised by you but you always diverted the topic to Multan when it was going to hyderabad <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> please dont mind whatever i said. it was my thinkings.
i principally agree with smraza that secp is against the chartered accountant. it must penalize the corrupt auditor and company both at the same time. there should also be a check and balance on both.

Pervez · 09-11-2003, 10:58 AM

Mr Pooooooh!(How many ooos are there my dear, any logic in having such a weired nick!!)

I am not too good at well-coming Johnys come latelys, but since you have decided to jump in the debate, i would suggest a little more serious nick for a starter!! I donot appologize for being aggressive.
You can't have a meaningful debate without being emotionally involved. But my remarks are never intended to disrespect the person, nor i take others' remarks in the same spirit. These are professional discussions nothing personal!!!

I am sure you must have heard about section 195 the moment you left your high school or should i say madrassa. But i am equally sure you have neither understood the letter nor the spirit of this section fully as yet.

If you read the section carefully, it specifically
A)put no restriction on directors of private companies
B)put no restriction on loans to subsidiaries
c)permit directors of public companies to obtain loans under certain
conditions and with the approval of AUTHORITY. This section has
lope-holes where you can drive a truck through.

I never said the directors are free to do what ever they like with funds of public companies. However, there are ways they can withdraw funds which are permitted by law.

Now to my old friend Mr Raza!

There are several positive developments here.
Postive development #1
"So back to the discussion, yes I agree that I donât have much knowledge on this topic, thatâs why I asked to correct me if am not,"

I think Raza you are on the right track here. But our real problem is that you are not aware of what the scope of this topic really is? Neither do i fully comprehend the angles involve here. Right! Do you agree with me? But one thing i am sure we are talking about an area where rules and laws relating to auditor's work converge with those of securities laws. If you think about it, it is a vast area of laws.
So i think we first should understand and agree on what laws are involved here. Right!! Once we have determined what areas are involved, we can update our knowledge about these laws and then talk about them. So i put the ball in your court, since you started the topic. Tell me what are the areas involved in this topic i.e. reporting proccedures by the auditors, laws relating to SECP, companies laws etc. etc. You decide the areas and than we will talk about them.

Postive development #2.
"I m still waiting for the response from the SECP. And I m 100% confident that this will continue with my whole life, as SECP is not against the companies, it is just against us"

So you did follow my advice of contacting the accused itself.
I hope you should get a reply. If not then you should force the issue. That is why i always keep my lawyer's phone number handy, just in case!!!!!
In the meantime, read the ICAP Audit Practice Manual fully, it may help you in your next exams.

Take Care
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Pooooh · 09-11-2003, 02:57 PM

Pervez,
you cannot change your track, you will not read the postings of other
if u look at my posting i said every "Child of CA" not "Every Child", thats why u made a bhonda joke as i quote
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I am sure you must have heard about section 195 the moment you left your high school or should i say madrassa. But i am equally sure you have neither understood the letter nor the spirit of this section fully as yet. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> adn you are still continuing with your lame opinions. OOoooh bhai sahib, SECP ka Kia taluq hai Private Limited companies say, phir aap us section kee "exceptions" kee baat kar rahay ho (which smraza told you not to mention)
you really dont know the topic ooooh bhai the topic is concerned with listed companies and not with private companies, this shows too much lack of knowledge
Another funny thing on your part
you said that smraza nay tumhari advice par amal kiya hai <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> about the act which is already done by that frustrated guy. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
again, enhance your knowledge and try to understand the topic you are required to study the ICAP manual instead of smraza, my humble advice to you,
<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> thanx that u like my nick, anyway aap ka name pervez kis nay aur kiyon rakha ?? do you have solid reason for it ??? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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smraza · 09-11-2003, 07:50 PM

Hey Pooooh,<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>you said that smraza nay tumhari advice par amal kiya hai about the act which is already done by that frustrated guy.
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>What made u think that i m frustrated, no dear i m really not frustrated <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>,
and second thing if the person is not following the central idea of topic then u should convince him rather than directly hitting him,

and Mr. Pervez, u will be glad to know that one of my friend (infact senior) made the contribution in making the Audit Practices Manual of ICAP, anyways,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Tell me what are the areas involved in this topic i.e. reporting proccedures by the auditors, laws relating to SECP, companies laws etc. etc. You decide the areas and than we will talk about them.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I m not concerned with the reporting procedures and laws relating to SECP, just tell me, what i m supposed to do, when i came to know (through auditors) that my company has done something wrong (as i m a shareholder), who is gonna protect the rights of minority shareholders, off course, Its the SECP's responsibility, but It is not doing so, It can be seen active, if any auditor was negligent in finding out any missappropriation - embezzlement - violation of law - fraud in the company, by penalizing the auditors, It doesnt take action action against the company who actually did the missappropriation - embezzlement - violation of law and fraud. but i regret to say that i was unable to explain my opinion to you, and that guy or girl Pooooh understood what i was trying to say, you were debating about the circumstances of qualification, matter of qualification or whether it was qualification or disclaimer or emphasis or anything else,
and my dear being a professional i m fully aware of Powers and Functions of SECP as defined in SECP Act 1997
i ll just quote only section i.e. Section 20(6)(b) which says
"In performing its functions and exercising its powers, the Commission shall strive-
to maintain the confidence of investors in the securities markets by ensuring adequate protection for such investors;"

and my dear if u havn't gone through the said act then i ll be pleased to send you the Act by email. if u r interested.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>In the meantime, read the ICAP Audit Practice Manual fully, it may help you in your next exams.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I don't need to study the ICAP manual for my forthcoming exams <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

and Pooooh be cool in the future while making postings, and you will be CA inter in near future, so it doesnt look good for a professional to react like this. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
Regards.

S M R

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Pervez · 09-11-2003, 08:46 PM

Hi Raza!
Unfortunately we have been debating this issue for about a month and i am still claiming you are not aware of the scope of this topic and you are claiming i am off track. Ohhhh! Certainly this is a comuunication problem. Besides, for every debate we have to have a moderator to whom we can submit view points for reconciliation that is missing here. Any voluntary offer for this service?

Thank you for offer to e-mail SECP Act. But you can get all relevant laws on internet now a days. In fact SECP site has a whole section
relating to rules, regulations, and laws. This internet is amazing.

I was thinking to send an e-mail to newly appointed Chairman of SECP. (I wouldn't say that i have any great influence over there but i can get their attention for sure) and ask him to depute somebody to visit these discussion boards as they bring up good suggestions for improving their image. They don't have to participate in these discussion but just by observing they can improve their work.

I am glad you are keeping the company of some serior people. I can tell you there is much more you can learn through people than from mere books.

Last but not the least, I fully agree with you that we have to have proper manners in the forum. If somebody does not have proper etiquettes to talk in a civil and educated manner, i refuse to stoop to their level. Our fundamental responsibility is to bring the standards up not down. If people are frustrated with life, they better go to doctor and take their medication!!!

Take Care and not let SECP run your life! I am sure you have better things to do than crusade against a govt agency.

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smraza · 09-12-2003, 02:53 AM

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Hi Pervez, do u think the SECP Chairman will give damn attention to this topic? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
anyways winding up the topic, lets hope for the best, lets hope for the corporate culture in Pakistan, and i hope that newly appointed Chairman Tariq sb.will bring some evolution in the industry. May allah bring that environment in the industry, that the rights of minority shareholders are protected.
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dont care about the foolish remarks of Mr. or Miss Pooooh, he or she seem little bit childish in his or her appearance.

Regards

S M R

Pervez · 09-12-2003, 03:10 AM

Hi Raza!
I would say Ameen Summa Ameen!! I am sure if educated people like us will be involved in investment arena, only better results will come.

Thank for a spirited debate! My magic ball shows a bright future for your.
Take Care
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Pooooh · 09-12-2003, 03:40 PM

Ok Ok, Mr. Pervez and Mr. Sohail,
sorry for my attitude, chalo i say the same words in decent way,
Mr Pervez aaap CA field main aa jaen, aap bohat kuch seekh jaen gay, Lekin aap ko is kay liye HSc. (intermediate) karna paray ga, to phir aap eligible ho jaeen gay,
Lekin i m sure keh aap apni dagar na choren gay <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
Mr. Pervez, i am sayign all this because, you are genius, you do debate by debate but you dont have depth of knowledge, I feel sometimes that you can debate on any topic without any Knowledge or having background of it, and some time you say such kind of aaen baaen shaaen (the Chawwal will be best word) without any Sar and Paer,
So dear Keep in touch with studies because it will refine your thinking, and you will not enter your leg into the topic jis kay baray main aap ko kuch nahi pata,
this is because you have something in ur brain, please go a good Psychitrist for a checkup and discuss your problem with him.
and grow up dear grow up, dont make ego problem of every discussion,
dear i agree with Mr. sohail raza that we are professionals and we shoudl behave like professionals, but i think this advise is for you, and professionals dont act like that u do, thats why i behaved with you in that way,
anway sorry for past,
take care

Pervez · 09-12-2003, 07:54 PM

Mr Miss or Mrs Poooh!
Unfortunately i don't speak the language of DAGAS and DANGERS.
Animal language is not my speciality. Now why i call you an animal.
Becuase the nick you have is a part of an animal's name. I bet you have no clue about it.
It is actually name of a Bear from winnipeg's zoo "Winni the Pooh".
A Canadian Girl saw it in Winnipeg Zoo and wrote a book about it.
Surely you belong to a zoo. However, Karachi Zoo is too civilized a place for DAGAS like you, you should be transfered to Multan Zoo. They certainly don't have a Bear there.

Unfortunately, after obtaining your matriculation through bribe or father's influence, you cann't put two sentences of english properly.
Read your postings, they are full of weired words that you donot know even english equivalents. With these communication skills, if you ever step outside Pakistan (or should i say Punjab) the only job you can get is a Janitor yeh cleaning toilets. So don't ever make the mistake of stepping out of Pakistan. You will fit in well the villages of Punjab with your mentality and approach to life.

Don't worry about my education, it is recognized in every developed country in the world. I have degrees that probably you cann't even pronouce.

So my serious advice, improve your english communication, it sucks. Then come back, give us proof of your qualification and then we will talk.

Bye Bye and don't committ suicide after reading this post.

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smraza · 09-13-2003, 12:58 AM

Hey Hey Hey
Pervez and Poooooh, I m gonna request the moderator to change the topic from "SECP Vs Chartered Accountants" to "Pervez Vs. Poooooooh"
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what kind of Childish attitude you both guys are showing???

S M R