04-07-2008, 11:44 PM
Dears,
It's a good topic to clarify the ambiguities in the minds. I mean the ambiguities which one group has to support his belief and the ambiguities the other one has to support his own belief and understanding. Yes, no wonder if some one feeling his-self religious (in current scenario) comes down the track and uses personal and un-ethical words. This is the habit and aptitude of those who call themselves religious. At least in our surroundings. I don't discuss the real noble men of ALLAH and I don't have any complaint on narrow mindedness against open mindedness.
At the same time I never have and still don't have any claim for perfection of knowledge or understanding. A human is a student all the life. Some one may call it "learner" instead of "student", if this language does not suit him.
Dear Israr,
I am not a religious scholar but at the same time I don't feel so manys as religious scholar who claim for or who are generally known for such designations. Further, 'AALIM' has no privilege with ALLAH (as per HOLY QURAN) if it is to be seen in the absence of 'AMAL'. A religious AALIM is just like a Scholar of other subjects. He becomes WALIALLAH only when he practises his ILAM in that way. This is what should be known and understood to/by every one.
Now coming to your question. Yes indeed one's land could be a reason to do Jehad. For this, and for concentrating on Kashmir to make it a reason for doing Jehad only for the sake of Land, we have to look back at the history and the methodology which made Pakistan and set the boundaries where we are living at the moment. India was not owned by Muslims. It is a reality. Islam came in India when Mughals and other muslims entered here. This was in fact a quest to enhance the boundaries of governments, to enhance the owned resources and reserves, to capture the world's most precious land (india), to enhance the power and to enhance the personal satisfaction by making big names in the history. Kings were used to do it even by getting the history written under their own instructions. This had been happening since the outset even by those who were not Muslims. Checkout the examples like Alexander and others who penetrated India and who always tried so in the long history. This was not done by Muslims for the sake of Islam. Check those names who did this all in the history. Were they best of Muslims. The pioneer is BABAR. You may know him in detail.
However, the spread of Islam was mainly due to the character and teachings of AULIYAs in India who caused it by their message of love, equality, peace and by showing their highest level of nobility and character. They made their-selves the role models. How manys became muslims due to Ghaznavi's wars? How many would have been inspired of BABAR or AKBAR or JANAHGIR. We have to think on it sincerely. Otherwise we cannot understand it.
So we with our own hands made this rule that whoever comes in power should acquire whatever he can. Islam has no fault in it Naoozbillah. It was the character of our Kings. Prophet P.B.U.H's treatment at FATAH MAKKAH is a role model for us. His life is a role model for us. Can we find examples where, without having any pain or stimulation from them, muslims attacked the others in the life of Prophet P.B.U.H. How manys were asked to pay JAZYA to muslims in the life of Prophet P.B.U.H. How muslims can say they can protect some one else on receiving JAZYA? Protection is only from God. How a muslim "of our quality" can make this claim. Further, if the others don't need our protection or don't pay JAZYA, should this make a reason for us to institute war on them?
If this is a valid reason then why we blame for such things to USA and others who are doing these malpractices with muslims now.
Kashmir (occupied) is not owned by us. It's land is not ours unless it is once made the part of Pakistan. There could be some disagreement or breach of agreement in initial days but it was in fact never owned by us. So how can we start battling for its land? Only due to the division made by FARANGGIES and QUAID-e-AZAM (to whom the so-called 'ULEMAs' call as FRAUD.e.AZAM). Was it Naoozbillah some HADEES or ALLAH'S order? Kashmir has to be obtained through political dialogue. Any war, if undertaken, also has its basis in regional and specific politics. However, it is better to treat it as a political issue just as Pakistan's existence evolved through political efforts.
Those who say that land of Kashmir is a justified reason for Jehad as there was some breach of agreement, then why they don't start JEHAD in HOSHYARPUR and GURDASPUR who were also the part of planned Pakistan initially under the agreed terms. If we donât fight for HOSHYARPUR or GURDASPUR even if the terms of division were materially affected by RED CULF AWARD then why we wish to fight for Occupied Kashmir?
On the other hand, if it is by all means a JEHAD and we have to fight for it, why we don't even give freedom to AZAD KASHMIR and ask INDIA to give freedom to OCCUPIED KASHMIR to make it a separate country. Pakistan never consented on this proposal.
If we think deeply on this issue, things can become more clear to us. I gave only my own conclusion that JEHAD.e.KASHMIR is not JEHAD in my understanding. Yes, it could be a necessary war for some political reasons and may have justifications in that context. But it is not Jehad for the reasons which we generally hear. This is my understanding. I also said that my understanding could be materially wrong. So there is no offence.
We should have open hearts to listen the others' point of view as well. Still criticism and difference of opinions is too much liked by me since it makes a reason to debate and such debates make the things more clear.
The reason that Jehad-e-Kashmir was previously supported by Pakistani agencies (intelligence and others and not by open governmental announcements) and is nearer to us as compared to Illahabad or Gujrat is not a valid reason to support the idea of JEHAD. Jehad, if done by Governments, has to be announced. It is a must feature. {Muslims cannot attack on sleeping enemies. Muslims never did so in the era of Prophet P.B.U.H.} So it is not to be hidden. Yes planning and strategy making is allowed. Since such Jehad was not announced by Pakistani Government, it is not a JEHAD. On the other hand if we talk about small religious groups, my friend in above post, has already made it clear that it cannot be termed as JEHAD.
In my confirmed view the issue of Kashmir is a political issue and not a religious activity. This may view may be changed if I see some logically sound explanation and clarification given impersonally. Unethical language cannot change the realities. You all know this. Yes, if some one does not want to clarify it, it is his prerogative. I always tend to avoid using indecent language.
At the end, no one has so far explained that if attacking on others just to enhance land boundaries or just to forcibly ask the others to accept Islam or just to ask for JAZYA against protection (which is never needed or requested for by others) is a valid JEHAD then why we criticize others who are doing so. Islam was meant for PEACE. If we have such ideology in the back doors of our minds then how the PEACE would be ensured? Of course ensuring PEACE by killing (or by making slaves or dependents) to all the others is no PEACE. If this is the methodology to bring the PEACE then where would the meanings of Islam go? I again say every fault (wherever it is) is of Muslims who interpret the things. Islam was and is perfect by the grace of ALLAH.
Why we negate Islam's history just to express our grief and feelings. In the history of Islam, Sinf-e-Nazuk has also participated in JEHADS. Look back in history and read the books. It is not confined to men by GOD. Please no body should try to change the history. Now I am not saying that I am more knowledgeable but what can I do if some one becomes so irrational and illiterate.
In Bahwalnagar, police has captured some 5 men who were having all the preparations of suicidal explosions, as per last days news on various TV channels. The DPO of Bahawalnagar informed the news channel that those 5 men have accepted their relationship with JESH-E-MUHAMMAD (The group of Maulana Masood Azhar, who reportedly has written above Poem).
This news could be wrong and may be a conspiracy against Jesh.e.Muhammad or Maulana Azhar, but if it is true, then it raises so many questions. Can any body else has similar questions on hearing such news. The one who don't love his country-men being the muslims, how can he love people of Kashmir as muslims. I again say that this is the info given by DPO of Bahawalnagar and could be wrong entirely.
Hope to see good comments.
Best regards,
KAMRAN.
It's a good topic to clarify the ambiguities in the minds. I mean the ambiguities which one group has to support his belief and the ambiguities the other one has to support his own belief and understanding. Yes, no wonder if some one feeling his-self religious (in current scenario) comes down the track and uses personal and un-ethical words. This is the habit and aptitude of those who call themselves religious. At least in our surroundings. I don't discuss the real noble men of ALLAH and I don't have any complaint on narrow mindedness against open mindedness.
At the same time I never have and still don't have any claim for perfection of knowledge or understanding. A human is a student all the life. Some one may call it "learner" instead of "student", if this language does not suit him.
Dear Israr,
I am not a religious scholar but at the same time I don't feel so manys as religious scholar who claim for or who are generally known for such designations. Further, 'AALIM' has no privilege with ALLAH (as per HOLY QURAN) if it is to be seen in the absence of 'AMAL'. A religious AALIM is just like a Scholar of other subjects. He becomes WALIALLAH only when he practises his ILAM in that way. This is what should be known and understood to/by every one.
Now coming to your question. Yes indeed one's land could be a reason to do Jehad. For this, and for concentrating on Kashmir to make it a reason for doing Jehad only for the sake of Land, we have to look back at the history and the methodology which made Pakistan and set the boundaries where we are living at the moment. India was not owned by Muslims. It is a reality. Islam came in India when Mughals and other muslims entered here. This was in fact a quest to enhance the boundaries of governments, to enhance the owned resources and reserves, to capture the world's most precious land (india), to enhance the power and to enhance the personal satisfaction by making big names in the history. Kings were used to do it even by getting the history written under their own instructions. This had been happening since the outset even by those who were not Muslims. Checkout the examples like Alexander and others who penetrated India and who always tried so in the long history. This was not done by Muslims for the sake of Islam. Check those names who did this all in the history. Were they best of Muslims. The pioneer is BABAR. You may know him in detail.
However, the spread of Islam was mainly due to the character and teachings of AULIYAs in India who caused it by their message of love, equality, peace and by showing their highest level of nobility and character. They made their-selves the role models. How manys became muslims due to Ghaznavi's wars? How many would have been inspired of BABAR or AKBAR or JANAHGIR. We have to think on it sincerely. Otherwise we cannot understand it.
So we with our own hands made this rule that whoever comes in power should acquire whatever he can. Islam has no fault in it Naoozbillah. It was the character of our Kings. Prophet P.B.U.H's treatment at FATAH MAKKAH is a role model for us. His life is a role model for us. Can we find examples where, without having any pain or stimulation from them, muslims attacked the others in the life of Prophet P.B.U.H. How manys were asked to pay JAZYA to muslims in the life of Prophet P.B.U.H. How muslims can say they can protect some one else on receiving JAZYA? Protection is only from God. How a muslim "of our quality" can make this claim. Further, if the others don't need our protection or don't pay JAZYA, should this make a reason for us to institute war on them?
If this is a valid reason then why we blame for such things to USA and others who are doing these malpractices with muslims now.
Kashmir (occupied) is not owned by us. It's land is not ours unless it is once made the part of Pakistan. There could be some disagreement or breach of agreement in initial days but it was in fact never owned by us. So how can we start battling for its land? Only due to the division made by FARANGGIES and QUAID-e-AZAM (to whom the so-called 'ULEMAs' call as FRAUD.e.AZAM). Was it Naoozbillah some HADEES or ALLAH'S order? Kashmir has to be obtained through political dialogue. Any war, if undertaken, also has its basis in regional and specific politics. However, it is better to treat it as a political issue just as Pakistan's existence evolved through political efforts.
Those who say that land of Kashmir is a justified reason for Jehad as there was some breach of agreement, then why they don't start JEHAD in HOSHYARPUR and GURDASPUR who were also the part of planned Pakistan initially under the agreed terms. If we donât fight for HOSHYARPUR or GURDASPUR even if the terms of division were materially affected by RED CULF AWARD then why we wish to fight for Occupied Kashmir?
On the other hand, if it is by all means a JEHAD and we have to fight for it, why we don't even give freedom to AZAD KASHMIR and ask INDIA to give freedom to OCCUPIED KASHMIR to make it a separate country. Pakistan never consented on this proposal.
If we think deeply on this issue, things can become more clear to us. I gave only my own conclusion that JEHAD.e.KASHMIR is not JEHAD in my understanding. Yes, it could be a necessary war for some political reasons and may have justifications in that context. But it is not Jehad for the reasons which we generally hear. This is my understanding. I also said that my understanding could be materially wrong. So there is no offence.
We should have open hearts to listen the others' point of view as well. Still criticism and difference of opinions is too much liked by me since it makes a reason to debate and such debates make the things more clear.
The reason that Jehad-e-Kashmir was previously supported by Pakistani agencies (intelligence and others and not by open governmental announcements) and is nearer to us as compared to Illahabad or Gujrat is not a valid reason to support the idea of JEHAD. Jehad, if done by Governments, has to be announced. It is a must feature. {Muslims cannot attack on sleeping enemies. Muslims never did so in the era of Prophet P.B.U.H.} So it is not to be hidden. Yes planning and strategy making is allowed. Since such Jehad was not announced by Pakistani Government, it is not a JEHAD. On the other hand if we talk about small religious groups, my friend in above post, has already made it clear that it cannot be termed as JEHAD.
In my confirmed view the issue of Kashmir is a political issue and not a religious activity. This may view may be changed if I see some logically sound explanation and clarification given impersonally. Unethical language cannot change the realities. You all know this. Yes, if some one does not want to clarify it, it is his prerogative. I always tend to avoid using indecent language.
At the end, no one has so far explained that if attacking on others just to enhance land boundaries or just to forcibly ask the others to accept Islam or just to ask for JAZYA against protection (which is never needed or requested for by others) is a valid JEHAD then why we criticize others who are doing so. Islam was meant for PEACE. If we have such ideology in the back doors of our minds then how the PEACE would be ensured? Of course ensuring PEACE by killing (or by making slaves or dependents) to all the others is no PEACE. If this is the methodology to bring the PEACE then where would the meanings of Islam go? I again say every fault (wherever it is) is of Muslims who interpret the things. Islam was and is perfect by the grace of ALLAH.
Why we negate Islam's history just to express our grief and feelings. In the history of Islam, Sinf-e-Nazuk has also participated in JEHADS. Look back in history and read the books. It is not confined to men by GOD. Please no body should try to change the history. Now I am not saying that I am more knowledgeable but what can I do if some one becomes so irrational and illiterate.
In Bahwalnagar, police has captured some 5 men who were having all the preparations of suicidal explosions, as per last days news on various TV channels. The DPO of Bahawalnagar informed the news channel that those 5 men have accepted their relationship with JESH-E-MUHAMMAD (The group of Maulana Masood Azhar, who reportedly has written above Poem).
This news could be wrong and may be a conspiracy against Jesh.e.Muhammad or Maulana Azhar, but if it is true, then it raises so many questions. Can any body else has similar questions on hearing such news. The one who don't love his country-men being the muslims, how can he love people of Kashmir as muslims. I again say that this is the info given by DPO of Bahawalnagar and could be wrong entirely.
Hope to see good comments.
Best regards,
KAMRAN.
