03-30-2010, 04:00 PM
Dears,
In religious discussion I try my best not to present my personal ideas and thoughts. Secondly I avoid my best not to make a religious issue a problem of my ego. Thirdly, point scoring and to win the field of religious discussion has never been my aim. I take much care in religious discussion because as these types of discussions proceed some people (not on this forum) make them the egoistic problem and pass such statement k Rooh Kanp Jati Ha aur ye khadsha paida ho jata ha k aglay banday ka eman aur Islam mutasir na ho jay. (This is a general statement and not about any forum member)
Look at this statement
âI yet attach high importance to the verdict of Dr. Israr's people after finding facts about Zaid. They have cleared him after a social and civilized discussionâ.
Look at this statement
Although I believe to "ask for a clarification from some person" is a sole right and power of muslim Government and not of Maulvis"
Dr. Israr ki ray ha âkisi shaksh ko kazzab yani jhoota Madayee-e-Nabuwat Qarar Dena ya Na Dena Islami Hukuma ka Kam Ha Aur Islami Hukumat /Sharayee Nizam k Na Hote Huye Ulema-E-Ikram Ki zimedari Ha".
See the link
http//www.tanzeem.org/announcements/zaid%20hamid2.pdf
<b>(Jis mulk main hukumat Shamay Risalat k parwaon pe Khatme Nabuwat ki tehreek chalane pe golain barsay. Qadianiat k khilaf likhne pe ulema ko sazay mout sunay jay (Maulana Maududi and Maulana Abdul Sattar Niazi)Air Force ka chaq o choband dasta Jamate ahmadia k khalifa ko guard of honour pesh kare whan pe ulema ko kia moon main unglian dal ke bheta rehna chaye?? Yousuf Kazzab ko Ulema Court main lay ker aye bad main isi court ne us ko sazay mout sunay? Where was the Govt Of Islamic Republic of Pakistan at that time ?? Ulema believ in peacful movement they filed cases against Ahmedies in courts of law during british rule our religious scholars presented before British coruts (Attaullah shah Bukhari and Maulana Anwar Shah Kashmiri)regarding these cases. Ager Ulemah us waqt medan main na ate to aj qadianion ki tadad kayee gunah ziada hoti. Socialism/communism ka muqabla kis ne kia ??? Jab Punjab University main communist students Allah Tala K Alamti JANAZAY nikal rahay thay (Astaghfirullah) to kon medan main aya ? Pervaizion aur Munkireene Hadeen ko kis ne Nath Dalee?? Kuch log kehte hain k ulemah ne bus inhi 3/4 moqon pe kirdar ada kia qun ke in logon k khayal main ulemah ko dosron ki islah kerne main aur kafir qarar dene main bara maza ata ha. Read the history of war of Independence 1857 us waqt 13000 ulemah ko shaheed kia gaya.)</b>
Whether it will be decided by Ulema or LAY man that what is the authority of Ulemah . Yeh usool to aj k nhn balke qaroone uoola (1st Hijry and after) ke Ulema aru Aimay Ummat k tarteeb diay huy hain. Including Aimay Arba Kia nauzubillah min zalik hum Aimay Arba se ziada deen ki samajh boojh rakhtay hain.
Dears, humary halat to yeh ha k hum ko 1 hadees Urdu main bhee puree trah yad nhn hoti (including me). Mager hamary jurat dekhain k hum discuss ker rahay hain ulemah ki authority, very amazing. Ap logon ne shekh- Ul-Hadees ki term suni hogy ek Sheikh Ul Hadees ko Hazaron k hisab se hadeesain Sanad k sath yad hoti hain. Yeh hazaron ka word main ne waise hi use nhn kia. Ap Ulema se pooch sakte hain . Meri ek sheikh ul Hadees se mulaqat huyee chand sal phele, baton baton main unhon ne batay k un ko 1500 se ziada hadeesain sanad k sath yaad hain zair /zabar ki ghalti k baghair. Baz Ulemah aesay bhee hain jin ko 3000/4000 se bhee ziad hadeesain yad hain.Pakistan main is waqt taqreeban 15,000 se ziada Sheikh Ul Hadees Mojood hain.
Ek aur baat jo Ulema Hadees parhte hain unki ek Sanad hotee hai k kis ne kis se Hadees parhi yeh sanad "Shajray Nasb" type ki hoti ha yani kis Alim ne kis se hadis parhi us Alim k ustad (teacher) ne kis se hadees parhi and so on. Main ne ek Aalim ke yeh sanad dekhi unki yeh sanad Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) tak jati ha. Afsoas aj hum deen se be bhera ho ker in ulema pe tanqeed ker rahay hain. Ulema k baghair mere bhayon hum ek qadam agay nhn chal sakte.
Ager koyee kehta ha k chall saktain hain to ek sawal ka jawab de. Bhains ka doodh hum sub use kertay hain Punjab k villages main is ka gosht bhee use kia jata hai.
Ap main se koyee hadees dekhay jis may behains ko halal janwar qarar dia gaya ho.
Hamari Halat to yeh ha k hamary apne subject per bhee command nhn ha kia koyee CMA/CA mojood ha jis ko IAS/IFRS,CO, ITO yad ho. Our practicing members keep soft copies of IAS/IFRS in laptop and P.Câs to make opinions. But we insist that we have authority to decide what is the authority of religious scholars. 4 hadesain urdu main yad nhn, gusal, wozoo ,warasat, nikah, talaq k masail pata nhn aur chaplain hain ulema ki position define kerne.
It is requested to all members if any one wants to debate me on this topic please come with concrete and specific points and give answers of above asked 12 questions beside questions asked by me in this post. If anyone belief that Zaid Hamid is vicim of any mental disease then he should not comment on this thread regarding authority of ulemas and relating issues. Otherwise other forum members will consider him as a follower of Zaid Hamid. I will again say come with conrete aurgoments.
Ager meri kisi baat se kisi ki dilazari hoyee ho to main mazrat chata hun.
In religious discussion I try my best not to present my personal ideas and thoughts. Secondly I avoid my best not to make a religious issue a problem of my ego. Thirdly, point scoring and to win the field of religious discussion has never been my aim. I take much care in religious discussion because as these types of discussions proceed some people (not on this forum) make them the egoistic problem and pass such statement k Rooh Kanp Jati Ha aur ye khadsha paida ho jata ha k aglay banday ka eman aur Islam mutasir na ho jay. (This is a general statement and not about any forum member)
Look at this statement
âI yet attach high importance to the verdict of Dr. Israr's people after finding facts about Zaid. They have cleared him after a social and civilized discussionâ.
Look at this statement
Although I believe to "ask for a clarification from some person" is a sole right and power of muslim Government and not of Maulvis"
Dr. Israr ki ray ha âkisi shaksh ko kazzab yani jhoota Madayee-e-Nabuwat Qarar Dena ya Na Dena Islami Hukuma ka Kam Ha Aur Islami Hukumat /Sharayee Nizam k Na Hote Huye Ulema-E-Ikram Ki zimedari Ha".
See the link
http//www.tanzeem.org/announcements/zaid%20hamid2.pdf
<b>(Jis mulk main hukumat Shamay Risalat k parwaon pe Khatme Nabuwat ki tehreek chalane pe golain barsay. Qadianiat k khilaf likhne pe ulema ko sazay mout sunay jay (Maulana Maududi and Maulana Abdul Sattar Niazi)Air Force ka chaq o choband dasta Jamate ahmadia k khalifa ko guard of honour pesh kare whan pe ulema ko kia moon main unglian dal ke bheta rehna chaye?? Yousuf Kazzab ko Ulema Court main lay ker aye bad main isi court ne us ko sazay mout sunay? Where was the Govt Of Islamic Republic of Pakistan at that time ?? Ulema believ in peacful movement they filed cases against Ahmedies in courts of law during british rule our religious scholars presented before British coruts (Attaullah shah Bukhari and Maulana Anwar Shah Kashmiri)regarding these cases. Ager Ulemah us waqt medan main na ate to aj qadianion ki tadad kayee gunah ziada hoti. Socialism/communism ka muqabla kis ne kia ??? Jab Punjab University main communist students Allah Tala K Alamti JANAZAY nikal rahay thay (Astaghfirullah) to kon medan main aya ? Pervaizion aur Munkireene Hadeen ko kis ne Nath Dalee?? Kuch log kehte hain k ulemah ne bus inhi 3/4 moqon pe kirdar ada kia qun ke in logon k khayal main ulemah ko dosron ki islah kerne main aur kafir qarar dene main bara maza ata ha. Read the history of war of Independence 1857 us waqt 13000 ulemah ko shaheed kia gaya.)</b>
Whether it will be decided by Ulema or LAY man that what is the authority of Ulemah . Yeh usool to aj k nhn balke qaroone uoola (1st Hijry and after) ke Ulema aru Aimay Ummat k tarteeb diay huy hain. Including Aimay Arba Kia nauzubillah min zalik hum Aimay Arba se ziada deen ki samajh boojh rakhtay hain.
Dears, humary halat to yeh ha k hum ko 1 hadees Urdu main bhee puree trah yad nhn hoti (including me). Mager hamary jurat dekhain k hum discuss ker rahay hain ulemah ki authority, very amazing. Ap logon ne shekh- Ul-Hadees ki term suni hogy ek Sheikh Ul Hadees ko Hazaron k hisab se hadeesain Sanad k sath yad hoti hain. Yeh hazaron ka word main ne waise hi use nhn kia. Ap Ulema se pooch sakte hain . Meri ek sheikh ul Hadees se mulaqat huyee chand sal phele, baton baton main unhon ne batay k un ko 1500 se ziada hadeesain sanad k sath yaad hain zair /zabar ki ghalti k baghair. Baz Ulemah aesay bhee hain jin ko 3000/4000 se bhee ziad hadeesain yad hain.Pakistan main is waqt taqreeban 15,000 se ziada Sheikh Ul Hadees Mojood hain.
Ek aur baat jo Ulema Hadees parhte hain unki ek Sanad hotee hai k kis ne kis se Hadees parhi yeh sanad "Shajray Nasb" type ki hoti ha yani kis Alim ne kis se hadis parhi us Alim k ustad (teacher) ne kis se hadees parhi and so on. Main ne ek Aalim ke yeh sanad dekhi unki yeh sanad Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) tak jati ha. Afsoas aj hum deen se be bhera ho ker in ulema pe tanqeed ker rahay hain. Ulema k baghair mere bhayon hum ek qadam agay nhn chal sakte.
Ager koyee kehta ha k chall saktain hain to ek sawal ka jawab de. Bhains ka doodh hum sub use kertay hain Punjab k villages main is ka gosht bhee use kia jata hai.
Ap main se koyee hadees dekhay jis may behains ko halal janwar qarar dia gaya ho.
Hamari Halat to yeh ha k hamary apne subject per bhee command nhn ha kia koyee CMA/CA mojood ha jis ko IAS/IFRS,CO, ITO yad ho. Our practicing members keep soft copies of IAS/IFRS in laptop and P.Câs to make opinions. But we insist that we have authority to decide what is the authority of religious scholars. 4 hadesain urdu main yad nhn, gusal, wozoo ,warasat, nikah, talaq k masail pata nhn aur chaplain hain ulema ki position define kerne.
It is requested to all members if any one wants to debate me on this topic please come with concrete and specific points and give answers of above asked 12 questions beside questions asked by me in this post. If anyone belief that Zaid Hamid is vicim of any mental disease then he should not comment on this thread regarding authority of ulemas and relating issues. Otherwise other forum members will consider him as a follower of Zaid Hamid. I will again say come with conrete aurgoments.
Ager meri kisi baat se kisi ki dilazari hoyee ho to main mazrat chata hun.
