04-01-2010, 05:14 AM
Torontoboy
Let me call you with this name due to handicapped info although I believe one should be called with his original name.
Irrespective of the fact that we differ on many issues, I from the first day of reading your response on this thread, felt that sense has not yet died. I congratulate you and those who understand a thing which most of us emotionally forget to give even a try. Here is the example to speak truth knowing that people can directly raid on your faith and make you maghrab zada or NGO zada or Aalimon ka dusham or eventually Allah kay deen ka dushman (Naoozbillah).
We all know that no one has this right but our parrots have historically done this all without following any of the all logics that you have mentioned.
This particular man has ever been raising issues to create hatred on the basis of "languages", "cities" (as he did about Karachi and Karachiites, "ethnic groups", "muhajir, sindhi, punjabi issues, "sects" and "faith" etc. All the forum is evidence of his lame yelling on such issues. He does not even take care while posting wrong and doubtful Ahaadees which he subsequently deleted in a recent example.
A human can commit mistake and it is good if he realizes it. Although he has unprovokedly and unwarrantedly defamed Zaid Hamid, he knows by heart that his point of view is incorrect and fabricated since he does not accept what he is doing and a number of times has escaped from his own conclusion about Zaid.
Iss tarah kay loge chaahtay hain inka naam bhi naa aaey, aag bhi lag jaaey, moashara barbaad ho, aur tabaahi bhi ho jaaey. This is the way such people do their work. I am sorry to say that some where I read a story about Iblees who also follows same methodolgy.I am not calling him Iblees; just comparing the methodology.
A recent example is where he used the name of Imam Khumeni sahib to provoke Shia visitors of this forum against me because I don't agree with Khumeni sahib's general fatwa-e-qatal about Gustaakh Rushdi that also remained un-implemented for logical reasons.
In short, he is always in search of some opportunity to create some social or religious issue to promote Mob activity and hate generating debates.
Allah ke rehmat hai keh kuch loge aisay hotay hain jo hamesha iss tarah kay logon ko face kartay hain aur samjhaatay hain. You and Greatkhans are such examples here. Such people dare to do so because their faith needs not to be certified by Parrots and the ones like this hate generating machine.
People instead of seeing what our last and greatest Prophet PBUH has done and guided us to do and what Holy Quran asks us to do, har waqat "Ulema" "Ulema" kartay rehtay hain. Yaar jahaan ilam kam hai wohaan khud talaash karo, nahi pata chalta tu kisi ilam waalay (aalim) say pooch lo; laikan aalim ko Khuda tu naa banaao (Naoozbillah).
Aik Allah aur aik Rasool PBUH ke Ummat aik nahi hai. Kyun? Kabhi socha? Pehlay din say kaun thaa jis nay iss qaum ko taqseem kiaa aur 1400 saal karta raha. Koi nahi sochay ga.
Zaid jo bhi hai, laikan agar woh apnaa eeman khud bata chuka hai aur Khatam-e-Nabuwwat kaa Iqraar bhi kar chuka hai (as has also been evidenced by Dr. Israr sb's fellows as well) tu usko kaafir qarar dena yaa aisa karnay ke koshish karnaa yah defame karna ghalat aur na jaaiz harkat hai.
Allah ka khauf bari cheez hai.
Allah kay Nabi PBUH nay tu aik Kaafir ko jang kay dauraan qatal karnay kaa bhi notice liyaa tha because uss kaafir nay qatal honay say pehlay eeman ka iqraar kia tha.
Ham kiss azeem Nabi PBUH kay follower hain aur maray jaa rahay hain "ulema" "ulema" kartay huey ghalat baat par bhi.
I wonder agar aik religious aalim aur aik science kay aalim main koi faraq hai unless dono main say koi aik Taqwa main zyada achay muqaam par ho. Ab Taqwa main kaun bihtar hai yeh tu Allah he jaantaa hai. Pata nahi yeh "ulema" ke term eejaad kis nay kee thee. Aur Khud ko khud he "maulana" likhna aur kehna kaisay jaaiz ho gaya tha.
Like you, I also like to mention that I have all the due honor and regard for real noble men of Allah and the people of knowledge from whom we get light and a ray of hope. However, I believe every one tagged as "Maulana" may not necessarily be an aalim. Rather majority is not in that category I guess.
I also believe that calling and tagging and defaming a muslim as kaafir or making efforts for doing so is equally punishable and hatable.
May God help the starter of this thread to come out of a frustrated complex mental situation that makes him to post unnecessary hatred stuff against sects, religions, faiths, languages and ethnic groups so forth and so on. May God he realize his ill-doing to defame a muslim on the name of Yousaf Kazzab.
I expect nothing better from him though; since we know he has learnt nothing from all his previous experiences jahaan aik aik kar kay sab usko samjha chukay hain...aur buhat achay tareeqay say samjha chukay hain.
Anyway, "thanks" was due for speaking truth and standing on it firmly. It's not an issue of mine. Rather it is the issue of faith and unity of Muslims. An issue of stopping incorrect defamation and bluffing against a person who has openly expressed his faith.
Regards,
Let me call you with this name due to handicapped info although I believe one should be called with his original name.
Irrespective of the fact that we differ on many issues, I from the first day of reading your response on this thread, felt that sense has not yet died. I congratulate you and those who understand a thing which most of us emotionally forget to give even a try. Here is the example to speak truth knowing that people can directly raid on your faith and make you maghrab zada or NGO zada or Aalimon ka dusham or eventually Allah kay deen ka dushman (Naoozbillah).
We all know that no one has this right but our parrots have historically done this all without following any of the all logics that you have mentioned.
This particular man has ever been raising issues to create hatred on the basis of "languages", "cities" (as he did about Karachi and Karachiites, "ethnic groups", "muhajir, sindhi, punjabi issues, "sects" and "faith" etc. All the forum is evidence of his lame yelling on such issues. He does not even take care while posting wrong and doubtful Ahaadees which he subsequently deleted in a recent example.
A human can commit mistake and it is good if he realizes it. Although he has unprovokedly and unwarrantedly defamed Zaid Hamid, he knows by heart that his point of view is incorrect and fabricated since he does not accept what he is doing and a number of times has escaped from his own conclusion about Zaid.
Iss tarah kay loge chaahtay hain inka naam bhi naa aaey, aag bhi lag jaaey, moashara barbaad ho, aur tabaahi bhi ho jaaey. This is the way such people do their work. I am sorry to say that some where I read a story about Iblees who also follows same methodolgy.I am not calling him Iblees; just comparing the methodology.
A recent example is where he used the name of Imam Khumeni sahib to provoke Shia visitors of this forum against me because I don't agree with Khumeni sahib's general fatwa-e-qatal about Gustaakh Rushdi that also remained un-implemented for logical reasons.
In short, he is always in search of some opportunity to create some social or religious issue to promote Mob activity and hate generating debates.
Allah ke rehmat hai keh kuch loge aisay hotay hain jo hamesha iss tarah kay logon ko face kartay hain aur samjhaatay hain. You and Greatkhans are such examples here. Such people dare to do so because their faith needs not to be certified by Parrots and the ones like this hate generating machine.
People instead of seeing what our last and greatest Prophet PBUH has done and guided us to do and what Holy Quran asks us to do, har waqat "Ulema" "Ulema" kartay rehtay hain. Yaar jahaan ilam kam hai wohaan khud talaash karo, nahi pata chalta tu kisi ilam waalay (aalim) say pooch lo; laikan aalim ko Khuda tu naa banaao (Naoozbillah).
Aik Allah aur aik Rasool PBUH ke Ummat aik nahi hai. Kyun? Kabhi socha? Pehlay din say kaun thaa jis nay iss qaum ko taqseem kiaa aur 1400 saal karta raha. Koi nahi sochay ga.
Zaid jo bhi hai, laikan agar woh apnaa eeman khud bata chuka hai aur Khatam-e-Nabuwwat kaa Iqraar bhi kar chuka hai (as has also been evidenced by Dr. Israr sb's fellows as well) tu usko kaafir qarar dena yaa aisa karnay ke koshish karnaa yah defame karna ghalat aur na jaaiz harkat hai.
Allah ka khauf bari cheez hai.
Allah kay Nabi PBUH nay tu aik Kaafir ko jang kay dauraan qatal karnay kaa bhi notice liyaa tha because uss kaafir nay qatal honay say pehlay eeman ka iqraar kia tha.
Ham kiss azeem Nabi PBUH kay follower hain aur maray jaa rahay hain "ulema" "ulema" kartay huey ghalat baat par bhi.
I wonder agar aik religious aalim aur aik science kay aalim main koi faraq hai unless dono main say koi aik Taqwa main zyada achay muqaam par ho. Ab Taqwa main kaun bihtar hai yeh tu Allah he jaantaa hai. Pata nahi yeh "ulema" ke term eejaad kis nay kee thee. Aur Khud ko khud he "maulana" likhna aur kehna kaisay jaaiz ho gaya tha.
Like you, I also like to mention that I have all the due honor and regard for real noble men of Allah and the people of knowledge from whom we get light and a ray of hope. However, I believe every one tagged as "Maulana" may not necessarily be an aalim. Rather majority is not in that category I guess.
I also believe that calling and tagging and defaming a muslim as kaafir or making efforts for doing so is equally punishable and hatable.
May God help the starter of this thread to come out of a frustrated complex mental situation that makes him to post unnecessary hatred stuff against sects, religions, faiths, languages and ethnic groups so forth and so on. May God he realize his ill-doing to defame a muslim on the name of Yousaf Kazzab.
I expect nothing better from him though; since we know he has learnt nothing from all his previous experiences jahaan aik aik kar kay sab usko samjha chukay hain...aur buhat achay tareeqay say samjha chukay hain.
Anyway, "thanks" was due for speaking truth and standing on it firmly. It's not an issue of mine. Rather it is the issue of faith and unity of Muslims. An issue of stopping incorrect defamation and bluffing against a person who has openly expressed his faith.
Regards,
