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11-03-2010, 01:38 AM

Bhaio

On overall basis I agree with ciapk opinion about evaluating one's actions (amal) in the light of teachings of Islam given by Quran, Sunnah, and Ijma etc. and to follow him.

Magar ham sab main aik kharabi hay kay ham aik objective discussion say hat jatay hain. Jo sawal hay pahlay oska jwab nikalna chayay, phir kisi aur mozoo par guftugoo. Warna yahi hoga kay swal gundum aur jawab chana.

Iss thread par bunyadi swal 2 aay thay. Pahla yah kay Zaid Hamid par bila waja ilzaam tarashi ki gai jabkay osnay saaf alfaz main apna eeman zahir kia tha. Iss pahlay swal ka jawab dhondtay hoay Yosuf ka zikar aya aur ossay jhoti nabuwat ka dawaydaar sabit kartay hoay yah kaha gya kay chunkay Zaid Hamid ki nisbat Yousuf say thi iss liay Zaid bhi jhota hay. Issi tarha Yosuf kay qatal ki mazzamat bhi nahi ki gai. Yousuf ka jhoti nabuwat ka dawa aur phir qatal 2nd swal hay.

New readers kay liay main apna point of view doobara duhra dun yahan. Mayray khyal main jab kisis sakhs nay khulay alfaz main Huzoor-e-Akram (SAW) kay katim un nabeen honay ka iqrar karlia hay (yani Zaid nay) tu oskay eeman kay baray main phir shak karna ham insaanon ka kaam nahi hay kionkay har insaan kay eeman kay baray main Allah ko hi maloom hay, insaanon ko nahi. Doosri baat yah kay Yosuf ka jo bhi moaamla tha, ossay thik tareeqay say nahi settle kia gya, aur kutch molvion kay fatwon ki bunyaad par ossay marwa-e-adalat qatal karna thik nahi tha. Pahlay tamam zaroori requirements ko mulki qawaneen kay mutabiq poora karna chayay tha, aur oskay baad adalat jo bhi munasib samjhti fayslaa karti. Adalat ka fayslaa sab ko qabool hota. Ab jiss nay bhi osko tamam taqazay pooray honay say pahlay qatal kia osko "aashiq-e-rassol" nahi balkay "qatil" kahlana chayay.

Yahan hamaray Ulema ka kirdaar kafi kamzoor hay. Kutch nay Yousuf kay qatal ka fatwa dya. Muqadmay ki samaat kay doran logon ko ishtiaal main aanay say mana nahi kia. Aur ab bhi insaaf kay taqazay pooray honay say pahlay, muqadmay kay dooraan Yosuf ko qatal karnay walay ko qatil kahna chayay, iski tashih bhi Ulema nahi kartay.

Sach ko hamaisha saaf aur mukamal hona chayay. Aadha sach jhot hi hota hay.

Agar chand molvion kay fatwon say har sakhs ko doosron ko qatal karnay ka jawaz milnay lag gya tu wohi hoga jo aaj ho raha hay, phir Zaliman (taliban) bhi thik karrahay hain aur Talal Bugti bhi Islam ki khidmat karay ga Musharraf ko qatal karwa kar. Phir muslim societies ko anarchy say koi nahi bacha sakta.

Yah tha iss thread ka discussion.

Sufism aur doosray "ism" aik alag bahas hay, jisko alag say kia jana chayay.

Waysay sahabi aur khalifa Arabi kay alfaz hain jinkay mani saathi ya companion (for sahabi) aur naib ya subordinate (for khalifa) kay hain. Agar Mr. A kisi Mr. B ko english main apna companion ya subordinate kahay tu hamain qubool hoga, magar agar yahi alfaaz Mr. A kisi Mr. B ko Arabi main sahabi aur khalifa kah day tu yah kia nabuwat ka dawa ho jay ga kia (Naoozu Billah)? Magar itni si baat kisi kabutar ki aqal rakhnay walay so-called molvi ko samjh nahi aasakti.

Yahan tu har sakhs ko doosray kay eeman ki fikar hay. Doosron ko qatal kay fatway daynay aur onpar amal ka ikhtiyar hay. Phir ham muslim hain jinkay haath zaban aur amal say doosron ko mamoon hay.

Wasalam

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