Most Pleasing Step Of New Government

[Muhammad Amir]

Mr Pracs you do not need to bother about my belief and there is no other way to go to Jannah. The only way to Jannah is the fulfilment of the orders of Allah(S.W.T) and Allah(S.W.T) knows better that who is complying with his orders and who is not and he also knows better that who is discharging his duties(owed to Allah{S.W.T} and to Humans).

Furthermore, everyone has to be concerned with and make his efforts to achieve the right path but no one can blame others to be on the wrong track and claim himself to be on the right path. The day of Judgement will reveal every thing to all of us and also at that day every thing will be clarified that who was on the wrong track and who was on the right path.

Mr KamranACA you again tryed your best to mixup the things to achieve your hidden agenda, after all agents have to fulfil the tasks of their principals in return of some consideration, your example is like those who read a single line and without bothering to read it in full context and without seeing things in right perspective issue thier Fatwa. May we have some fear of Allah(S.W.T) in our hearts and may Allah(S.W.T) bless Ummah from Mufties like you.

let me clear some things.

-Suicide Attacks on Pakistani Security forces are Haram(Prohibited) and the one who will committ these attcks will be answerable to Allah(S.W.T), If we are fighting in the way of Allah(S.W.T) then we have to unite ourselves and we have to turn our efforts from our own muslim people to Amreca.

-Cross border Terrorism of Shumalie Etihhad(Northern Alliance [comunists]) with RAW & MOSAD & Amreca is apparent and we have to review our behaviour of posting every suicide attack in the account of Taliban, 3 days back i have seen a news in Daily Islam that a person aged 18-20 have tryed to attempt a suicide attack on Taliban Leader of Mardan, later it was found that the attacker was UZBIK and further investigations will reveal him to be an allie of (Sumalie Ettihad).

-I am once again saying that Taliban are not Masomeen and there might be infact there are some loopholes in their strategy and if any suicide attack has been committed by Taliban then i will never support their this activity.

-Although Suicide attacks are Prohibited and can never be allowed as short-cut to Jannah but suicide attacks(if committed by Taliban) has to be seen in different perspective and these should be seen as the reaction of the ZULM of Pakistani Forces not as the "HOLY WAR" because there is no concept of Holy war against our own muslims people.

May Allah(S.W.T) give us eyes to see reality and may Allah give us open heart and mind to think without conservative approach.

Why don't you people see the dead bodies of Hussain and Ahmer of Falasteen who were only aged 4 and 6 respectively and were killed by Israeli Forces because they were playing out side their home, what wrong was done by these innocent kids, were they planning to attack on israel. Why don't you people see hundreds of Lebonese Kids Martyred by Israeli forces. Why don't you people see 10 lacs killings of Americans in Iraq, were these 10 lac people trainning to attempt suicide attacks on america. You have also not seen thousands of muslims killed in afghanistan by americans nor you have seen thousands of innocent muslims killed by america in SOMALIA. Unfortunately we have some people with us who are making questions on Jehad-e-Kashmir by asking the validity of that Jehad by Extra-DHETAIE and their Evil mindness, they try their best to prove Kashmir as Political problem rather than religious one but they have not seen thousands of MUZLOOM KASHMIRI Women raped by (INDIAN_________) nor they have seen thousands of innocent kids and old people killed by (Indian________). Some people who were never been to India in past are trying to prove the innocence of India but they have never seen the killings of Muslims by Sikhs and Hindus nor they have seen the thousands of raped cases committed by these hindus and sikhs at the time of partiton, nor they have seen thousands of women who saved their ISMAT-O-IZZAT by making suicide in CHNNAB and RAVI.

We have to beware of these people because they are planted agents of some other countries and they are completing the agendas of these countries, they are the current Mir Jaffer and Mir Sadiq of our nation we have to save ourselves from their obscene propaganda.

I want to further clarify my point of view that attacking innocent non-muslims is a huge sin and whoever will do this will do worse with his AKHIRAH and will be answerable to Allah(S.W.T) and furthermore, Jehad is a "HOLY WAR" that is fought to save muslims from the ZULM of KUFFAR it is not an offence committed on any non-muslim.

Triangle of Amreca, Israel and India is our worse enemy

I hope i have clarified my point of view.

Kal Roos Bikhrtry Dekha Tha, Ab India Toth'ta dkhain Gy
Hum Barq Jehad Kay Shouloon Say Amreca Jalta Dekhain GY


Regards,

Muhammad Amir

[kamranACA]

Dear Amir,

Mashallah I must say. Yes your anxiety is valid becoz my posts might have caused serious pain to you. Anyways, if truth is painful what one can do for it?

Nothing in whole of the mess you uttered in above post was able to clarify the chaos and difference of your own sayings analyzed in last post of mine. Why you know? Becoz you have nothing to say now and when some body falls short of words due to whatever faults at his part starts growling in the fashion you have shortly done. Further it is the general habit of illiterates to always cover their naked tummy by calling others as agents of Israel. This is the only solution you have. Is not it?

I will never call you agent of Israel, USA, Yahoodi lobby bala bala although I have full rights reserved to call you as such. You may also know that most of the big names of people falling in ur category are their selves son-in-laws of USA.

I dont know if attacking innocents and even Pakistani forces is HARAM (as u said) then how and why it should be seen in different perspective for Talibaan. Even if Taaliban create some justification in attacking army (which I think is also ridiculous) then they will have no justification in attacking innocents.

If you don't agree that such bomb blasts are done by Taaliban then you should analyze two things. Suicidal attacks started just after Lal Masjid issue. This was started soon after when such Maulvies announced and threatened about such suicidal attacks. Should I send you fax of newspaper where your category Maulvies announced that they will start suicidal attacks against Lal Masjid action???

Such suicidal attacks remained continued until the change of government and release of Soofi Muhammad and some other criminals under a deal with new government. After such deal there is no significant blast anywhere except the blast you discussed in you above post. And this blast was also in the area where everything can happen. It was not Islamabad or Lahore.

Now if your Talibaan or others like them were not responsible why they never expressed it clearly until and unless they find the deal with government. This is not so simple as you want to pretend it. What a good MOSAD and RAW and SHUMALI ITTEHAD would it be (as per your analysis) which takes every decision as per the will and moves of Taalibaan and other Mullahs.

For a moment, let me look into your wordings given about innocent killings at Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Somalia etc. Let me take out the name of Afghanistan for discussion in the end. Now I never said that USA is justified in doing such illegal and inhuman acts anywhere in the world. I never praised USA / Israel. I know USA/Israel are the biggest enemies of Islam. You do not have to explain it. But don't take this fact making a reason for you to institute a referendum of your choice (as Zia-ul-Haq was used to do) that if USA / Israel are doing wrong then every act done by Talibaan is correct. This does not justify Talibaan to create mess in our country.

This is the point of difference. If I kill any of relatives of Mr. XYZ, would it be justified for Mr. XYZ to kill the innocent men on the roads?? You know it is not justified.

So if some Taalibaan would ever be able to kill President Bush (which they will never be) or any such big scoundrel then I (as a viewer) will have no objection. Although it will lead to some new disaster becoz we are not as much advanced and powerful as is required to do so. But if they feel that killing Pakistanis or even innocent foreigners is righteous thing they are on the worst path. Don't refer me to a few examples of some foreigners with whom Taalibaan dealt with nicely for political reasons. We know what their character is at large.

Afghanistan !!! Yes I agree USA has done worst possible with innocents at Afghanistan. But again it is caused by the own hands of Taalibaan and people like Usama who are not innocents. Mind it they are not innocents. May God give you long life and you see what they are when time will prove it. We are not in a condition (at the moment) to challenge or attack USA. This all could have been a disguised act on the signals received from USA by such people to make a reason for them to enter this whole region. It is not simply comparable to the fact that USSR was broken out into tiny states. We in fact have no contribution in the break down of USSR which we claim for. It's just like PIDAR-e-MANN SULTAN BOOD. It was also a result of USA policies and eventually gave urther rise to USA in world over wickedness. But people like you were not able to see it at that time and even at this time.

Jehad-e-kashmir is not a Jehad. I am still of same view. It's a political issue. I have already given detailed basis of having such view. Nothing contained in any of your posts could ever make a reasonable cause to change this idea. Just by saying, repeating and rubbing that CROW is WHITE, the crow will not become white. The rapes done with Kashmiri women by indian army is some other story. Armies world over do this wherever they are given a free hand. Even they do sex harassment with their own army women. Study what army women of USA working in big fighting ships say about male fellows. Indian army got free hand due to activities of Pakistani Mujahideen and in certain cases they over-used their powers. These rapes are not only confined in India. I can give you examples where Pak Army has committed same things with Pakistani women. What will you say against it?? General Tikka Khan allowed Pakistani army men to kill bengalies when they were helping indian armies in 1971 and thousands of such bengalies were killed. Their women were raped and their kids were fired. This happens whenever army is called for correcting the situations. Apart from army, what not and what not the WADAIRA culture is doing in Sindh villages and South Punjab villages. Such people have their own jails. They rape innocent girls of their haaries and mazaraa's and no one can speak against them. Go to your Sindh rural area and check which sort of gods you have in your own so-called Islamic country. Correct them before instituting ur Jehad in Kashmir. So it is very simple to raise the emotions by using such examples but before doing this we should understand all the pros and cons. I know you cannot understand it. Rest of ganddi zuban used by you does not affect the truth. This is what you are up to.


In your post you also made emotional speech about the innocent killings of muslim women and rapes therewith on partition of sub-continent. I agree with this speech but I must also add that this was done on both sides. This happens whenever some big goal is achieved. This was a political effort which was ruined by all people of that combined society whether they were Hindus or Sikhs or Muslims. This was expression of avenge and this happens in such situations. All were the ZAALIMS and all were the MAZLOOMS regardless of citizenship and religion. Apply your mind to understand it. My TAYA (my father's cousin; who died some months ago) who had been eye witness of beheaded nude carcasses / corpse of hindu and sikh men and women on the roads of Pakistani Punjab's cities was used to tell us all such incidents of his tender age. This cannot be covered in the context in which we are carrying out this debate. This had nothing to do with Taaliban, USA or Kashmir. Don't twist the things.

Now at the end what can I say about the poetry you wrote. Saying anything like this about a Sovereign country which accepts you country's dignity and independence is invalid in my opinion. Still it is your personal thought and no one would be affected with this ROOS, INDIA, SHOULAY, AMRICA etc. Keep on singing this stuff. Nothing can make us capable except educational, technical and economical progress.

Hope you cannot understand it.


Regards,



KAMRAN.

[hanifasif]

Impressive words Kamran but Wallahay, I fail to understand how you find time to write such long mails. I remember when I was in my early years of chartered accountancy my words sounded like those of yours. And my average composition during those days resembled yours, but now I hardly find time to write a love letter to my girlfriend. Have you just started your career or what….please don’t mind. I am just curious…wanna know how come a full fledged professional find time to write such bulky mails.

Regards,

[Imran]

Not much impressive in my point of view. Though Mr Kamran is a good writer but he shows only one side of mirror. Mr Kamran please make my mind clear about the following

1. What is Jehad? Is our Army fulfilling the true meanings of Jehad?
2. What about those innocent people (citizens) who have been killed in Swat Lal Masjid and Waziristan.
3. When some body kills your whole family, donot you have right to fight against him? If you dont have what rights you have?
4. What about the operations within the country? Is all this fair ?Because if you are supporting some one, implies that you are supporting his policies.

Imran

[kamranACA]

Dear Imran,


I have all the regards for your disagreement with my view point. Whatever you have asked has so many times been clarified. If you want to know my view point see my previous posts on each issue.


Regards,



KAMRAN.

[Muhammad Amir]

I have no words on your innocent propaganda and in my view whatever you have written is just like playing your political game over the dead bodies of so many innocent muslims, I think you have no fear of Allah(S.W.T) in your heart.

The language you are continuously using in this forum shows your professional caliber and it shows that how much professionally sound mind you have.

Let me clear one more thing that I and other people are not against Technological, Economical and Educational advancement this is the need of time and we have to make ourselves advanced with the requirements of dynamic world but advancment at the expense of religion is not allowed.

I can only say that wait for the Day of Judgement and every thing will be reveald to every one on that day.

May Allah(S.W.T) give us civilized manners to talk with other people.

Regards,

Muhammad Amir

[nakaiun]

yar ya discussion bohat hot hogaya tu cool karnay kay liya aik joke
aik sarder dosary sarder sayim going ka matlab kaya hay?
dosara sardermaine ja raha hu
phela sarderaisay kesay janay do phelay matlab pata [D][D]

[kamranACA]

Dear Amir,


It's always amazing when you talk about manners, professionalism, language etc. It's always refreshing to see such sort of comments from you.

In urdu medium schools, back in history, our Pakistani students were used to study Test Papers. Every Test Paper contained remarks on the back side of its last page narrating " CHORE BHI KAHEY CHORE CHORE". This slogan was to prove that the Test Paper in your hand is genuine and all others are fake. Whenever I see your mixed, ever changing, innocent posts I recall that slogan in my mind.

You know whatever I have in my heart for ALLAH is not to be questioned to you. Hai Naa? You know that you do not have to fall in my grave or answer my deeds on judgment day. Is not it? Ok. Then leave worrying about my pitfalls. If not, then get prepared to lay down in my grave. Of course you cannot do it. Just kidding. Don't mind.

Yes every one will get to know what is real ONLY and ONLY on judgement day. If it is not a fact, all religions should have been merged in to one either it is Islam or else. This is another thoughtful issue which you again cannot understand becoz to which category of mindset you relate does not want to think on any issue except what is told to them. Good for you. Go on with this practice.

No body said here that technical, educational and economic progress jeopardize the religious faiths and practices. I Naoozbillah don't say that Jehad should not be done. As far as Jehad's compulsion is concerned I have same views as you have.

However, I believe that Jehad at Kashmir is not Jehad. I feel that Jehad has certain conditions without fullfiling such conditions any war cannot be called as Jehad. I understand that some little groups in an Islamic country cannot announce Jehad independent of the state where all such groups have own agendas and understandings. I believe that those who make state-within-state are the criminals as per state's laws. I also firmly believe that Jehad does not mean attacking every one who is not muslim. I also firmly believe that Jehad does not mean attacking some one with ammunition who is our enemy/opponent by having only opponent policies and diplomatic preferences. I believe suicidal attacks on innocents and muslims are not Jehad at all even if such muslims have killed the relatives of such attackers. (You can study the hadees shareef where two men were fighting with each other and Prophet PBUH said that both are JAHANNAMI and no one was zalim or mazloom.) So Jehad is Naoozbillah Naoozbilla not questioned in this debate becoz no muslim can do it. Rather we are talking about what is Jehad and what is not Jehad.

When imposed, yes, of course, Jehad becomes imperative but when we are weak and we know we would be defeated, we should not cause to make reasons for our own destruction or destroying the peace. This is a policy matter. Still, it has nothing to do with jeopardising the religious aspects.

The greatest person on the earth (PROPHET P.B.U.H.) did not even ask to practise Jehad Bil-Saif aggresively (that was real real Jehad) until the muslims got such progress and became able to put eyes in eyes of enemies. Until that time muslims used diplomatical efforts and went for war only and only when they were attacked personally at Madina. Maximum efforts were made to settle down the issues peacefully. Why you people forget the incident of Sulah Hudaibiya. Anyways. Every one can have different views on it.

In my view we cannot get success against those who are our open enemies unless and until we come to an advanced level in all sort of developments and this should be our most preferred task if we are really sincere with Jehad. However, this view may not be agreed by you or some others.

If I consolidate, I must say that I believe in Jehad as much you belive but

I know Jehad has so many facets and every facet is a real Jehad in itself. Jehad Bil-Saif is not called as Jehad-e-Akbar. Why we don't do Jehad-e-Akbar and always tend to talk about Jehad Bil-Saif. Do you feel we are doing other forms of Jehad.

I don't agree that the people like Taalibaan or Soofi Muhammad or Fazal-ullah are doing Jehad by killing own muslims.

I don't agree that fight at Kashmir is Jehad becoz it does not meet criteria of Jehad and had always been a political quest.

I feel we cannot find success unless we do what is required to be done for coming in competition with such nations (just as after neuclear testing India cannot become a threat to our existence but before this, it was a threat. So we have to look forward for other enemies as well).

I feel that in this era we should not and we cannot attack "every one" becoz it is the era of ammunition causing mass destruction. We should not become a reason to eliminate humans from the earth. Yes, when imposed, Jehad should be properly planned under supervision of Islamic state and meeting all the criteria requirements of Jehad.

I hope you cannot understand my view point.


Regards,



KAMRAN.

[nakaiun]

tarzan sab janwaro ko un ki cast pata raha hay
shar rajputt
cheetah malik
zebara butt
khota pahtan
khota chila kar bola rahay nay do ji main khota hi teek ho

[Imran]

Mr nakaiun

This forum is for literate persons where they share ideas and thoughts. Its totally unfair to share jokes like this. you can better share them some where else. There are hundreds of forum for people like you if you wish i will tell you few.

[nakaiun]

i share these jokes becoz there is always battle between amirbahi and kamran bahi inorder to cool it down and have no other intention of doing this

[israrhere]

Mr Nakaiun whatever your intentions are go and fulfill somewhere else.Yes, there are hundreds of forums for people like YOU.

[Muhammad Amir]

Dear Mr KamranACA,

In your above post(last one only) I have not a single disagreement except this para;

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I don't agree that the people like Taalibaan or Soofi Muhammad or Fazal-ullah are doing Jehad by killing own muslims.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Because you have no right to appraise every one from taliban in same way i accept that there might be some extra emotional people in them but appraising every one using same benchmark is wrong as per general rule.

I have no relation with them(tangible) but my prayers are with them because i have seen their Amal and their Ikhlass and their love with islam. So, their these qualities have made them special to me and for this reason i will defend them at every forum of life.

Regards,

Muhammad Amir

[kamranACA]

Dear Amir,


You oftenly come to some material agreement with my comments after you have posted so much without applying mind. However, "dair aayed durust ayed".

Actually what I feel some people don't wish to get the essense of a particular discussion and just start battling with closed minds.

Anyways, I have no objection on any one, whoever supports whatever.

People including my real brother are very much excited with recent change in political scenario at Pakistan. I tell them they must not be excited becoz all fingers here are alike. Our nation can never behave like educated and responsible citizens.

Last night I was at Hyderabad and traffic remained blocked on main road for almost one hour just becoz some PPPP people were gathered on the road to celebrate the selection of some MNA or MPA as minister. I asked my heart that can this nation ever become dominating to other advanced nations. Reply came in NO.

So if any one is excited for Taalibaan, politicians, army or any one else, I have no objection at all. We alwaya tend to be exited being an emotional nation.

If some body disagree with my words, I again have no objection. However, what I feel about Taalibaan could be seen from my above posts and I firmly believe that my analysis about them is not incorrect.

Some people may take much time to agree with what I said. May God bless them long life to see what comes out.


Regards,




KAMRAN.

[Schuaeb]

Such debates show that things can't always be proved by means of arguments. Rightly said "OPINIONS ARE ULTIMATELY FORMED BY EMOTIONS AND NOT BY INTELLECT.