Zaid Hamid Escaping

[kamranACA]

A great piece of dubious, confused and illiterate work.

The poster does not recognize the difference of his baseless allegations on a man (who openly expresses his fullest faith and has proven it to some of real Ulemas as well) with the anti-qadiyani tehreek.

I believe this whole drama is played to defame Zaid and to take avenge of "do takkay kay maulvi" spoken by him. One fails to understand that FAITH is a matter between Abad and Allah; it has no linkage with a case where some one Naoozbillah makes fictitious claim of Prophet-hood or the one who openly follows him and practice what such person asks to. As far as such a case is concerned, necessary steps may be required; BUT not at the end of street hysterical and illiterate maulvis; rather, by law makers and law enforcers. (From maulvis I don’t mean noble people of Allah).

The case being referred about Qadiyanis has already been discussed at length (on other threads). ………[Mujhay pata thaa yeh bhaag kar isi mislay ke example day ga because I knew his mental level.}……… Our problem is that, we don’t know the facts and base our knowledge on one sided view point. I am and was of clear view that it was an achievement of Bhutto who represented the elected LAW MAKERS. It was by no way an achievement of Mullahs or street wanderers. If some one wants to know what exactly the situation of Ulemas was during the proceedings at NA and at the time when they were called to express their views at NA, he should study the factual proceedings of the NA or some reliable unbiased material. Every muslim sect, at that time, was non-muslim (Naoozbillah) as per definition provided by other sect; so Qadiyanis were almost left intact by the Ulemas and a new debate was started. Ulemas could not even agree to offer their prayer behind a single imam during such proceedings. Unfortunately it is our written and recorded history. There was a huge gap in the definition of “Muslim” finalized by every one. There is a long detail and I know I am dealing with some literally illiterate. It was the wisdom, forbearance, understanding of the legal issues and methodologies and leadership abilities of Z.A. Bhutto which rescued the dwindling vessel of our Ulemas, saved the nation from anarchy and which eventually succeeded in providing a solution. Every one can study it in depth and come to some unbiased conclusion.

I only credit Z. A. Bhutto for this milestone; and this is not a baseless credit. So, like civilized nations the matter was resolved by Law Makers and Law Enforcers. Feeling odd about some Fitna (if it really is there) and agitating against it is not against the norms of an educated set up. One can agitate, register his complaint at law enforcers, go to courts and even ask law makers to ponder on. Posting unproven indecent personalized stuff on websites is too criminal, too indecent and too illiterate. Any generalized linkage between a noble man and a murderer or criminal does not mean that the noble man is Naoozbillah murderer. Same is the case here to which the empty box does not wish to pay attention. (I am recalling the DOODH KA DABBA written by a member of this forum). The sons of very noble men of Allah have done too filthy things in their lives and vise versa. Just look at the son of Hazrat Nooh A.S. and so many other such examples.

If Zaid is openly saying that he believes in Khatam-e-Nabuwwat, it’s biggest sin to keep on trying to prove him follower of Yousaf Kazzab. Allah ko jaan nahi deni tum nay bhaai. Who will save you from the curse of Allah when on judgement day Zaid’s faith will come forward and stand in front of you to inquire why did you provoke people against the truthfulness of his faith? And why did you tried to prove him a follower of Yousaf Kazzab? Tumko tumhaarey family ulema nay sab samjha diyaa yeh aqal nahi dee?

I believe there is no compulsion in faith as has clearly been mentioned in Holy Quran.

“La-Ikkrah-ha-Fiddeen”.

To my understanding even if some one has faith on Yousaf Kazzab (Naoozbillah) in his own private life and does not affect the muslims society, he is not to be questioned and he is free to carry on his own belief. Yet, if some one has been affected he should adopt a proper recourse for the solution.

I am still of the confirmed view that no Aalim (if he is aalim) or Mullah has any authority to call for (at his own) any explanation from the other unless such other gives it a due regard and do so at his sweet will.

As far as poor example where professional fields are compared with being a person who knows Deen is concerned, it is the most incorrect belief and erroneous comparison. Islam did not come to make out Panddits (Naoozbillah) who will take care of it and all others should rest in peace. Islam is the only practical religion that asks every one to learn the Deen, Holy Quran and Uswa-e-Hasna and practice it in real life scenario. I wonder if a selective muslim category went to fight against Kuffaar in all the historical Jehad. The most incorrect thing that we are doing is to make out a specific category called “Maulvis” who has a mushroom growth and are becoming Imaam Masjid every where and are ruining the people. No one knows how educated (even religiously) they are and on what specific agenda they are working and how good is the level of their own faith and their own practice of Deen. I need not to discuss this issue is much detail since every one knows it by heart.

Bhayya, acquisition of knowledge sab par farz hai and we are asked to acquire knowledge from birth to death. Yes, if some one has greater knowledge we should seek knowledge from him. This is the role of an Aalim and nothing else (in this specific case); and this process is intended to make every one Aalim and a practical muslim. Don’t make it something on the line of concepts existing in other religions like Church was derived in Christianity. Please keep Islam intact and for every one.

What is Aalim? Or Ulema? Who makes them or declares them as such and how they are designated? Why they feel they are “Aalims” or “Maulana”? Do any of us know the real answers to these questions? I would like to learn the Ahaadees and their references from Sahi books if some one wishes to call attention to them. I am afraid people will delete or edit their posts if I do so.

Further, one asked us to “leave such matters for Aalims and don’t try to discuss them”. So, my question is ‘ARE YOU CONSIDERING YOURSELF AS AN AALIM SO YOU ARE DISCUSSING IT”; if yes let us know and I will white wash you based upon your own posts where you have done blunders. I told you that a body builder’s son cannot be a born body builder. ….[If one doubts he should open his eyes and read the scientific findings where the tail of a pair of rats was cut and found that their descendants even then born with tails.]…… "Hamara Deen k Mamlat main ray zani kerna kam ilmi ha"...... kiya line likhi hai. It speaks well about the writer. Bhayya tum ko raaey zani kartay phir rahey ho? bataao gay zara????????????????? Empty boz....doodh ka dabba....

Notwithstanding the above, I am a worldly man and believe to have a very limited religious and worldly knowledge. Yet, I believe that if it is a civilized society then hysterical things are not afforded by it. I believe no one in personal capacity is allowed to take law in hands or make compulsory inquiries from others. Yes, if some one is affected he should adopt a civilized course of action.

I believe Ulemas have a nice role in society and they should have fullest right to play their effective role. They should disseminate the “knowledge” and not the “hatred” among others, provide solutions of the problems and point out all social evils along with best solutions based upon ILAM, for the betterment of mankind. Teaching a few Madrissa students and making them Parrots is not going to serve any purpose except what we are seeing now a days.

Regards,


KAMRAN.