03-30-2010, 04:34 AM
Dears
I think Yousaf Kazzab was not even worth to be researched upon and we know Allah is best judge to every one's interior and faith. However, we have historically read the incidents of people who were on right path but at some moment diverted and lost the faith entirely.
So, there is no meaning to find out what a person was, previous to commiting something unacceptable. We have the very first example of Azazeel (Iblees) to understand this simple concept.
At the time when some one was not clearly on incorrect path, people typically remain unable to vouch for the future incidents and events that have to be associated with such person. At that time if some one misjudges such a person, and afterwards, corrects his understanding, he cannot be alleged with such things.
Although I believe to "ask for a clarification from some person" is a sole right and power of muslim Government and not of Maulvis (and even Ulemas), I yet attach high importance to the verdict of Dr. Israr's people after finding facts about Zaid. They have cleared him after a social and civilized discussion.
As far as the concept that "yeh fiqah aur shariat ka asool hai keh ulema....aisay shakhs...say clarification maang saktay hain" tu its strange that basis and logic of such "asool" is never found and discussed. Rather, people don't even discuss what I asked about the word "aalim" or "ulema" etc. Anyway, I know this is a baseless self assumed asool if we are in a muslim country and civilized society.
BTW no one here is following Zaid at all. Rather I believe he is also a misdirected over emotional man who will learn the facts of life with the passage of time or will end up doing similar idiotic things. However, at the same time I believe he does not deny the faith and importance of faith on Khatm-e-Nabbuwat.
At the end, I wish to express my perplexed state of mind made up after seeing a link the poster of which himself says he does not want to comment on it. If he does not want to comment then why he posted it. Is he indirectly preaching "their" message by doing so. Such people by doing these things are infact harming the faith of readers and don't just realize it. Bhaai agar post kia hai tu explain karo aur logical reply bhi do. Yaa phir logon ko misdirect mat karo indirectly.
Ajeeb loge hain, Rushdi ke book ko reply nai kartay, uskay qatal ka fatwa dey detay hain. And this indirectly helps him becoming a figure and winning Robinhood title etc and spreading Rushdi's name even to those who were not aware of himand his work. Yahaan link post kar kay unka message un tak bhi pohanchaa dia jin tak kabhi nahi pohancha aur jawab denay ke baari par kehtay hain "I don't want to comment". If you don't want to comment then are you their agent who is posting their links? Allah ka khauf karo yaa aadat he nahi rahi?
BTW qabar ke baat ke tu forann qabar yaad aa gai. Copy tu ham zaroor kartay hain. Aur karein bhi kiaa?
Sara zore laga diya aik muslim ko kazzab ka follower saabit karnay par, phir sawal yeh hai keh usko kaafir/non-muslim kab kaha? Kiaa saadgi hai. Issi tarah ke saadgi misdirected Pakistani Taaliban main bhi hai.
Kamaal hai bhayya.
Regards,
I think Yousaf Kazzab was not even worth to be researched upon and we know Allah is best judge to every one's interior and faith. However, we have historically read the incidents of people who were on right path but at some moment diverted and lost the faith entirely.
So, there is no meaning to find out what a person was, previous to commiting something unacceptable. We have the very first example of Azazeel (Iblees) to understand this simple concept.
At the time when some one was not clearly on incorrect path, people typically remain unable to vouch for the future incidents and events that have to be associated with such person. At that time if some one misjudges such a person, and afterwards, corrects his understanding, he cannot be alleged with such things.
Although I believe to "ask for a clarification from some person" is a sole right and power of muslim Government and not of Maulvis (and even Ulemas), I yet attach high importance to the verdict of Dr. Israr's people after finding facts about Zaid. They have cleared him after a social and civilized discussion.
As far as the concept that "yeh fiqah aur shariat ka asool hai keh ulema....aisay shakhs...say clarification maang saktay hain" tu its strange that basis and logic of such "asool" is never found and discussed. Rather, people don't even discuss what I asked about the word "aalim" or "ulema" etc. Anyway, I know this is a baseless self assumed asool if we are in a muslim country and civilized society.
BTW no one here is following Zaid at all. Rather I believe he is also a misdirected over emotional man who will learn the facts of life with the passage of time or will end up doing similar idiotic things. However, at the same time I believe he does not deny the faith and importance of faith on Khatm-e-Nabbuwat.
At the end, I wish to express my perplexed state of mind made up after seeing a link the poster of which himself says he does not want to comment on it. If he does not want to comment then why he posted it. Is he indirectly preaching "their" message by doing so. Such people by doing these things are infact harming the faith of readers and don't just realize it. Bhaai agar post kia hai tu explain karo aur logical reply bhi do. Yaa phir logon ko misdirect mat karo indirectly.
Ajeeb loge hain, Rushdi ke book ko reply nai kartay, uskay qatal ka fatwa dey detay hain. And this indirectly helps him becoming a figure and winning Robinhood title etc and spreading Rushdi's name even to those who were not aware of himand his work. Yahaan link post kar kay unka message un tak bhi pohanchaa dia jin tak kabhi nahi pohancha aur jawab denay ke baari par kehtay hain "I don't want to comment". If you don't want to comment then are you their agent who is posting their links? Allah ka khauf karo yaa aadat he nahi rahi?
BTW qabar ke baat ke tu forann qabar yaad aa gai. Copy tu ham zaroor kartay hain. Aur karein bhi kiaa?
Sara zore laga diya aik muslim ko kazzab ka follower saabit karnay par, phir sawal yeh hai keh usko kaafir/non-muslim kab kaha? Kiaa saadgi hai. Issi tarah ke saadgi misdirected Pakistani Taaliban main bhi hai.
Kamaal hai bhayya.
Regards,
