Zaid Hamid Escaping

[awaisaftab]

Dear Toronto Boy,

Main keh chuka hun k ap k liay mere dil main bohat izzat ha. Apko mazrat kerne kee koyee zaroorat nhn ha.

Yousuf Kazzab pe tamam firqon ka ittifaq tha k wo Kazzab tha aur main ne ek list tamam Makatibe Fikar k Ulema kee aj se bohat phele paste kee thee jin main sub ulemah ke names shamil thay yani Deobandi,Brelvi,Shia,Ahle Hadees aur do deeni Jamatain Jamaat Islamee aur Tanzeeme Islami K logon k names bhee thay. Deobandi aur brelvi ulemah k moqif kee videos ke link bhee main ne yahan diay thay yani Maulana Abdur Rehman Asharfi aur Mufti Ghulam Sarwar Qadri. Anyhow main is masle pe mazeed kuch kehna nhn chata.

Jhan tak rate barhane kee baat ha aur Zaid Hamid ko market kerne kee baat ha to ager hum uska mazi qoum k samne nhn late to ho sakta tha k bohat se log us k jal main phns jate jis trah Mirz Ghulam Ahmed k aqaid ka bohat sare logon ko aj se 100 sal phele pata nhn tha jis ke wajah se lakhon log dolate emani se hath dho bhete. Punjab main log ziada mirza se is liay mutasir hue ke wo log Mirza k aqaid se na waqif thay. Anyhow is masle per bhee main apki ray ka ehtram kerta hun

Jhan tak Ikhtilafe Ummat kee baat ha is ka andaza mujh ko abhee Yousuf Ali aur Zaid Hamid ke issue pe huwa (is thread pe nhn balke apni personal life main). is k ilawa hamare ikhtilafat ko munkireen e hadees aur Qadiani hamesha cash kerwane kee koshish kerte rehtay hain. Jhan tak musalmanon ke firqon main ittahad kee bat ha yeh waqt kee zaroorat ha.

Jhan tak apke request ka taluq ha jo apne aakhir main kee ha main isi kee wajah se koyee jawabi post nhn likh raha.

Regards,

Awais Aftab

[Toronto_Boy]

Waysay iss maslay say qataa nazar, yah Muhammad Amir sahib kahan hain. Shuru main onki aik aadh post aai thi, magar oskay baad wo nazar nahi aay. Main iss thread kay start main onki janib say kafi posts expect karraha tha.

Baharhaal wo jahan hon, kush rahain. Aur agar yah post parhain tu apni khairyat say mutalaa farmain.

[awaisaftab]

Thanks Brother

[Toronto_Boy]

Kamran

Thanks for alerting me. I appreciate it.

Regards

[Toronto_Boy]

Awais

Thanks to you too, to end this thread.

Regards

[kamranACA]

Torontoboy

Yeh faqeer tu hai he logon ke khidmat kay liye, so jo sahi laga aap kay gosh guzaar kar diya.

Iss thread ka sirf aik he faaida hua. Yeh faqeer aur Torontoboy bhi kisi baat par aik point par nazar aaey.

Anyway. Be careful always as per my alert )

Regards,


KAMRAN.

[Toronto_Boy]

Kamran

Kam az kam aik faiday wali baat tu apnay thik ki. Dunyawi muamlaat ki tu khair hay aur wo waysay bhi short term hotay hain, iss liay differences say koi farq nahi parta. Haan deeni muamlaat par correct stand zyada aham hay aur khas kar hamaray aajkal kay mulki haalaat main yah buhat base faraham kartay hain. Aur jaysa kay aaapnay pahlay kaha kay co-ordination ki zaroorat aaj pahlay say zyada hay.

Wassalam

[kamranACA]

Lagta nahi dil mera iss ujray deyaar main

Kis kee bani hai aalam-e-na-paaeydar main!


Bhayya bari khaamoshi hai..........


Just kidding.


Regards,

[ciapk]

Asslam O Alikum,

Zaid Zman almaroof zaid Hamid pay yay Ilzam hay k wo aik aisay shakhs ka sathi hay jis ny Nabowat ka dawa kia ( Yousuf Kazab). Yousuf kay baray main kuch research krnay k baad pta chala k shaid us nay Nabowat k directly tu dawa nahi kia tha but indirectly apnay sathion ko Sahaba RA sy tashbeeh di n Zaid Hamid ko apna Khalifa mutakhib kia. Zaid Hamid ka kehna hay k agr usay yay maloom ho jay k Yousuf nay Nabowat k dawa kia hay tu wo pehla shakhs ho ga jo us pay lanat bhaijay. or wo yaqeen say kehta hay k wo Muhammad SW k akhri Nabi honay pay yaqeen rakhta hay or AP SW k bad Nbowat ka dawa krnay walay her shakhs ko jhota smjta hay.

Yay baat bhi sach hay k Yousuf nay apnay sathion ko Sahaba kaha ya smja or Zaid ka yay claim bhi sach hay ko us Yosuf nay Nabowat ka dawa nai kia bulkay wo aik sufi tha,tu phr msla kahan hay?

Is swal ka jwab hay jo yahan moojood akser logo ko nagwar guzray ga but suchi bat karwi tu hoti he hay.

Sufism / tareeqat( Mixture of Islam, Hebrew and Greek and Hindu Jogism concepts)
So called tazkia e nafs
Ashka e haqeeqat ki koshishain
Ihsaon o sullok k Silslay
Khanqahi Nizam
Allom e Maarifat
Ahwal e Kashf
Ana Al Haq k naaray
Wahdat ul Wajood ki karastanian
Ilhamat ka daway
Wajad n haal k tazkray
Raqs o Sama ki mehfilain
or ab Allah Ho Allah ho k tazkray.

Inna Lilah e wa Inna Ilayhay Rajeeon

Jb tak yay jhotay nizam Islam k nam per moojod rahain gay, Qadyan bhi ain gay Yousuf bhi ain gay or Zaid bhi, Qalandaron k mizaroon ka Haj bhi hoga, or log Jannati darwaz par kr k janat main janay ki koshish bhi krain gay. In tamam fitnoo ki Jar shuroo he Sufism sy hoti hay jo Nabowat ko haqeeqat main tu Khatam mantay hain laikin kbhi kisi Imamat k concept k through jari kr daitay hain Imam k name pay or kbhi kis Shaikh k name pay riwaj day daitay hain Maarifat n Siddiqiat k name pay.

Agr kisi ko ummat k ittehad waqai he pyara hay tu wo sirf usi baat pay ho skta hay jo sb k liay qabil e qubool hay . Qal Allah wa Qal Rasool Allah wa Sunnat Rasool Allah SW.

Allah mujy or sb Muslmano ko Allah k ihkamat or Muhammad SW k Irshadat per amal krnay ki taufeeq dain, or hr jhotay nizam sy mehfooz rakhain. Ameen.

[WARDAH]

mainy shuru sy topic ni prha ciapk but tumhari post ko prhny k liey thread khola.hope so k healthy discussion ho further more yahan py ta k mai b cheezon ko behter jaan or samjh sakon ) unees bees confussions k sath my mind is agree with ur post.

[yasir_live]

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Main kami bhai ki posts perhnay ataa raha hun iss thread main, As there are many of his posts in this threads. But I think abhi tak yeh thread kisi conclusion per nahi phonchi.

Regards.

[ciapk]

Or kbhi pohanch bhi nahi skti -)

as Imam Shafi RA said jis nay kisi Sufiana zindagi fajar k wqt ikhtyar ki wo zohar tak apni aqal kho day gay or jo 40 din Sufi ki sohbat main reh gia uski aqal kbhi wapis nahi aa skti. n imam Ahmed bin Hanbal RA said haris sufi k shar say bacho kiun k wo moseebat ki jar hay( Alfikr o sufi fee zoo al kitab wa sunnah, page 684)

[yasir_live]

Tu dear Phir hum Sufiana kalam kyun promote kartay han ??? Even iss forum per bhi iss say related kuch threads hain. Tum nay jo baat ooper wali post main likhi yeh kya kisi Authentic Reference say mili hay tumhain.

Regards.

[WARDAH]

yasir.....hd hai dear wo reference k sath hi bol raha hai ghor sy prho or tum phir......

ciapk.....reference jo tumny dia hai us py ikhtilaaf to ni kr skti mai.but janay tum kis kisam k sufia k liey keh rahay ho wrna islaam to in buzurgon ny b phailaya hai or Allah ny inko kiramaat b di thin.han but jaisay log tazeem krty hain wo triqa mujhy b theek nahin lgta ja k fateha khuani ki hd tk to thek hai but jo sjdy krny lg jatay hain or wastay dainay lgtay hain wo triqa logon ka mujhy b theek ni lgta........moreover jo malang hotay aisi kahanian to tumny b bohat prhi hongi jinko shayad mujzib b kehtay hain if i m not wrong exact word zehan mai ni arha.to hum ny bohat dfa daikha hai k raah chlty mai naa jaan na pehchaan apko wo kbhi koi aisi baat keh daitay hain jo waqai ho jati hai hum tb uski gehrai mai nahin pohnch patay then what was that?? plz thora us py b roshni daalna k waisay log un k drjaat ka kia mamla hai.

Regards,

[ciapk]

Dear Yasir,

Page reference dia hay brother, hum acha acha sufiana kalam likh daitay hain sath agr koi shirkia aqaid bhi aa jain tu kaha jata hay k ap Aishq e Haqeeqi or Aishq e Majazi k matlab nahi smj sktay. Mollana Jalal Ud Din Rumi k Sufiana kalam ka aik tukra paish krnay ko buhat dil chahta hay but Wardah or Deegar females ki mojodgi ki wja sy nahin kron ga. Further, Spirtula dance jo Rumi sahib ny introduce kraya hay ap nay akser daikha hoga sb loog aik dairay main ghom rahay hotay hain uski aik shkal sub continent main Dhmal ki shakal main moojod hay, wo link paste kr daita hun Khwateen say request k sath ko wo try na krain.

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMWRwtqwbGA&feature=related

@ Wardah

Hindu Jogism k baray main prha hay kabhi? un k pass b buhat say kamalat aa jatay hain wo bhi buhat krtab kr jatay hain unko karamat kahan jay ga? Anyhow Dajjal aay ga wo aik isharay say barish bhi brsay ga badal bhi ain gay phal bhi ugain gay tu kia us pay emaan lay ain gay ham sb?